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ParticipantIt’s difficult to tell. Skin Deep could take place at the same time as events in another episode take place or even during the events of another episode. For example, Dreamy starts off then skips to one year later. Skin Deep could take place within that year’s jump.
Some things are certain:
It takes place after Stable boy but before 7 15am.
It takes place before the bar scene in Dreamy.
Other things to consider:
Regina is riding through the forest in her carriage. In True North she did the same thing and told Hansel and Gretal it was “her” forest.
I think it is after Regina has killed Snow’s father and forced Snow into hiding.
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ParticipantDesperate Souls
Start off in fairytale land with Rumpelstiltskin in his house spinning at his spinning wheel. Baelfire comes rushing in and tells him that soldiers have come for Morraine. Rumpel moves pretty quick for a guy with a limp and he and Baelfire rush outside to see the soldiers taking Morraine. Rumpel holds Bae close as they realise the age of enlistment has been lowered again to fourteen and Bae turns fourteen in three days time. Bae seems frightened in this scene and Rumpel is trying to comfort him. He tells Bae “we’ll find a way” though it seems he is unsure of how he will actually achieve that. On a side note Bae seems younger in this than he does in The Return.
Cuts to Mr Gold in his shop with the lanolin. When Emma calls out his name he smirks. When Emma asks if he is there, he displays his sarcastic sense of humour “well it is my shop”. Gold offers his condolences to Emma over Graham’s death and then suggests that since it has been two weeks since Graham’s death, she automatically becomes sheriff. Gold then offers Emma Graham’s belongings as “a keepsake”. When Emma declines, Gold casually says that he’ll offer them to Regina instead. Emma is drawn back in and, although still reluctant, she eventually accepts the walkie talkies. Gold says some stuff about children growing up so fast, time together is precious, before you know it you lose them, and although it seems like he is referring to Emma and Henry, he is actually referring to himself and Bae.
The next time we see Gold is at Emma’s house where he brings round the town charter and offers to be Emma’s benefactor and you get the feeling he enjoys being a thorn in Regina’s side.
We switch back to fairytale land where Rumpel tries to run with Bae. Bae says “it feels wrong to run away” to which Rumpel replies “it’s worse to die son”. This could provide a little insight into why Rumpel ran from the war especially as the rest of his comrades died, maybe even horrifically, and Rumpel didn’t want to suffer the same fate. Rumpel and Bae then meet the dark one disguised as the beggar. (Anyone else think the dark one was lying in wait for Rumpel? If being able to tell the future is one of the dark one’s powers, then he knew Rumpel would try and run and manipulated him into becoming the new dark one from the word go.) Hordor and the other soldiers arrive. Rumpel tries to lie his way out of trouble until Bae shoots his mouth off and makes the situation worse; even Rumpel was trying to tell him to shut up. Hordor takes great delight in revealing that Rumpel ran from the war and that his wife left him because of it. He then humiliates Rumpel in front of Bae. The soldiers leave and the dark one helps Rumpel back to his house, though in hindsight you can see the dark one is setting Rumpel up for a fall.
Rumpel and the beggar are discussing what Rumpel’s going to do whilst Bae sleeps. Rumpel believes his situation is hopeless and that he’ll have no choice but to let Bae go to war. The beggar says that “everyone has a choice” but Rumpel replies that the only choice he has is “which corner to hide in”. Rumpel breaks down and it is at this point, the beggar suggests taking the dark one’s dagger to either control the dark one or take the dark one’s power after telling Rumpel to “get a hold of yourself”.
We switch back to Mr Gold in his shop, looking deep into the flame of a lighter when Regina walks in. Gold knows why Regina is there and asks her “shall I move some things, make a bit of space for your rage?” Regina knows it was Rumpel who pointed out to Emma the loophole in the town charter and she comments that he loves to “trifle with technicalities”. Mr Gold baits Regina some more.
G: Shame what happened to Graham.
R: Don’t talk about him. You know nothing.
G: What is there to know? He died.
R: Are you really going up against me?
G: Not directly. We are, after all, both invested in the common good. We’re just picking different sides.
R: Well I think you picked a really slow horse this time. It’s not like you to back a loser.
G: She hasn’t lost yet.
R: She will.
G: Never underestimate someone who’s acting for their child.
R: He’s not her child! Not legally.
G: Now who’s trifling with technicalities?
Some interesting questions are raised from Gold’s conversation with Regina. Does Gold either know or suspect that Regina was involved in Graham’s death? Gold mentions they’re both invested in “the common good”, what do the two of them class as “the common good”? Regina say Gold picked “a really slow horse THIS time” and it wasn’t like him “to back a loser”, of course Emma won but what does Regina mean by “this time”?We cut back to fairytale land where Rumpel is getting Bae to soak the sheep’s wool so they can set fire to it. He tells Bae what the beggar told him. Bae suggests that perhaps he should go and fight since that is what the law says. Rumpel is taken aback and tells him that “the law doesn’t want you to fight. The law wants you to die”. It is possible Bae suggested going to fight because he didn’t want Rumpel to get hurt by going through with his plan. Rumpel makes a comment about war that makes Bae realise Hordor was telling the truth about Rumpel running away. (I get the feeling Rumpel had told Bae an alternate version of events). Bae asks if what Hordor had said about his mother was true as well because Rumpel had told him she was dead. Rumpel takes a long time to reply before admitting “she is dead” very quietly. (Perhaps Rumpel’s wife committed suicide because she couldn’t bear to be married to a coward and everyone else thought she had left him. Rumpel told Bae the truth by saying his mother was dead but left out the details of how she died because he felt her death was his fault.) There is a tense awkward silence between Bae and Rumpel before Bae breaks it by asking “so what do we need to do?” Bae then seems to reluctantly go along with Rumpel’s plan.
We’re back in Storybrooke and Emma has just saved Regina from the fire. She notices a piece of what looks like rope and suspects Gold started the fire. She goes to his shop to confront him and Gold tries to deny it at first. Emma is unconvinced so Gold practically admits it without actually admitting it by saying “IF I did it……” He then gives the reasons as to why he might have done it and challenges Emma to expose him, informing her of why doing so might not be in her best interest.
Back to fairytale land and Rumpel and Bae set fire to the castle. As it burns, Rumpel heads inside and gets the dagger.
Back to Storybrooke, and the town are taking their seats for the debate. Gold enters and Emma is not pleased to see him.
Fairytale land, Bae is waiting for Rumpel’s return. Bae tells Rumpel he has “a bad feeling” about what Rumpel is about to do. Rumpel ignores him and sends him home then summons the dark one. Rumpel initially thinks it hasn’t worked and seems to turn round ready to go home before being startled by the dark one who was stood right behind him. The dark one basically tells Rumpel that he is at his command and warns him to “wield the power wisely”. When Rumpel hesitates, the dark one says to him “you can wield it anytime now” in an I haven’t got all night kind of way. The dark one then begins to push Rumpel’s buttons by telling him that it was almost dawn and that Hordor and the others were on their way to take Bae away. The dark one manipulates Rumpel further by questioning whether Bae is biologically Rumpel’s son. This angers Rumpel who stabs the dark one which is what the dark one intended. When Rumpel asks “why me?” the dark one tells him that he knows “how to recognise a desperate soul”. Rumpel then becomes the new dark one.
Back to Storybrooke and the debate has begun. During Emma’s speech, she tells the town that Mr Gold started the fire. Gold gets up and walks out of the debate.
Last visit to fairytale land, Hordor and his soldiers have come to take Bae away. Rumpel gets his revenge on the group by killing them all. Bae is frightened of what his father has become. Rumpel tells him that “I protected what belongs to me and I’m not scared of anything!”
Last visit to Storybrooke, Emma is moving into her new sheriff’s office. Gold appears and startles her. He reveals that everything that happened from the fire onwards was his plan all along. He echoes the previous dark one’s words “I know how to recognise a desperate soul”. Emma questions why he did it, and Gold mentions that she still owes him a favour and that now that she’s sheriff, he’s sure “we’ll find some way to pay back what you owe me” Gold then leaves with one last word of “congratulations”.
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Keeper of FelixPriceofMagic
ParticipantMy theory is Rumpel is Bae’s biological father. Rumpel’s wife had an affair but she and Rumpel were still sleeping together. Bae was born and the affair ended. Rumpel found out about the affair and the thought probably crossed his mind as to whether or not Bae was really his, however, Rumpel loved Bae anyway so it didn’t matter whether or not Bae was his. Rumpel raised Bae so would always be his father regardless of if they were biologically related.
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ParticipantWhat Rumpel did to Belle at the end of Skin Deep wasn’t right. I think he freaked out so much because he had actually let himself get close to someone then believed it had all been a trick cooked up by the evil queen. He was “licking his wounds” so to speak when Regina walked in and basically revealed that Belle had been genuine. At that moment I think Rumpel had realised what a prat he’d been and was more than willing to include Belle back into his life until Regina had said Belle was dead. Rumpel believed her and I think it has haunted him ever since that the last time he saw Belle he acted like he did. He even said to snow in 7:15 am “Love makes us sick. Haunts our dreams. Destroys our days. Love has killed more than any disease.” His love for Belle which he tried to deny has been punishing him for the way he behaved.
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Participant“Love is weakness”- Regina to Malificent
“You loved someone?” Charming to Rumpel to which Rumpel replies “It was a brief flicker of light amidst an ocean of darkness”- The way Rumpel describes his love for Belle says so much about his life with so little.
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ParticipantI think Rumpel’s wife had an affair. Rumpel must have found out about it at some point.
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ParticipantI’ll take on desperate souls.
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Participant@Iceblade wrote:
She probably wasn’t pregnant yet having just gotten married.
Rumpel was just coming by to let her know his terms for payment since he had successfully completed his end of the bargain (ie change her life, which was marrying Prince Thomas).
I agree. When Cinderella asked Rumpel what he wanted, Rumpel even said he wanted “something you don’t yet posess but something I know is coming. Your firstborn.” Cinderella then intended to run when she found out she was pregnant until she was persuaded otherwise.
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ParticipantDesperate souls has been missed out.
Going back to 7:15 am, when Rumpel is talking to Snow, it is interesting how he describes love. After Snow says “a broken heart”, Rumpel describes it as “the most painful of afflictions” and he also says “Love makes us sick, haunts our dreams, destroys our days. Love has killed more than any disease.” I can’t help but feel that he is talking about himself and Belle here. This could also tie into the finale. If Belle had been haunting Rumpel’s dreams then when she walked into the shop, he may have thought he was dreaming hence why he grabbed her shoulder to see if she was real.
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Participant@hjbau wrote:
I think Rumpel killed Bae’s mother though they may never go into that. It isn’t really important in the scheme of things now.
I don’t think Rumpel did kill Bae’s mother. The sort of man he was pre-dark one was seemed to be one who didn’t have it in him to harm another person, hence why he probably ran from the ogre wars. He would rather run away than get involved in fights. I think that was why Bae was probably so shocked at the change in his father after Rumpel had become the dark one. Previously Rumpel wouldn’t have harmed a fly but now he kills several soldiers without batting an eyelid.
When Bae asks Rumpel whether his mother was really dead or just left like the knight had said, Rumpel hesitates for a long time before saying quietly “she is dead”. Rumpel seems to be doing his trick of telling the truth but not the whole truth. I think his wife left him because she was ashamed of being married to a coward but then she did die for whatever reason. Bae only found out Rumpel ran from the war because of the knight so it is likely Rumpel found it easier to tell his son his mother was dead than to tell him that she abandoned him because of Rumpel being a coward.
As for what sort of person Rumpel’s wife was, I can see her being someone whose reputation is very important to them. She stayed with Rumpel whilst the going was good and perhaps maybe even did care for him in the beginning of their relationship. However, when Rumpel was labelled a coward, she knew her reputation would be in ruins because she would be known as the wife of a coward and her son would be the coward’s child so she left them both to start afresh elsewhere.Her departure hurt Rumpel deeply especially her reasons for doing so.
Interestingly, such an issue could affect Rumpel’s relationship with Belle. He may not want to give up his powers because he thinks it would make him go back to being weak and a coward. If the first woman he loved left him for that reason, he doesn’t want to lose Belle for the same reason.All magic comes with a price!
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