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I think one of the issues with season 2 was that it had so much potential that it never quite reached.
Broken- I don’t think Mulan or Aurora should’ve been in this episode until the last scene where they find Emma and Snow. The whole timeline was off- Present day Storybrooke we saw Emma and Snow just go through the portal but apparently in FTL they’d been lying under rubble for a day and a half. MAP took time away from the Storybrooke side of things which is what people really wanted to see so I think that kind of created a resentment towards those characters. It would’ve been better to have the wraith immediately suck out Philip’s soul after Emma and Snow arrived which would have still given the same interaction between Mulan/Aurora and Emma/Snow without taking the time away from the main cast in Broken.
Belle’s amnesia/Lacey- I think the problem with the whole amnesia/Lacey storyline was that the writers really needed to choose one or the other rather than cram both in. Also, I think Lacey should’ve been a character in S1 Storybrooke so that by the time Skin Deep rolled around you actually get an OMG moment that Lacey the hard drinking party girl was actually the sweet book loving Belle. As it is, Lacey only existed for 2/3 days timeline wise. The amnesia plotline (though they’ve overdone the amnesia plot device as the seasons have gone on) could’ve been really interesting as they could’ve used Belle’s state as a metaphor for mental illness and shown people pulling together to help Belle get better. As it were, you had Ruby lying to Belle for no reason at all since Belle just wanted confirmation that what she saw was real and it was Ruby denying it that made Belle kick off. Ruby was in effect gaslighting Belle. Also, Snowing were meant to be looking after Belle whilst Rumple was out of town but at no point did they visit to check up on her. They just left her there so that Regina could knock her out and go through her bag and then Greg was able to talk to her. I actually don’t think it was a coincidence that after Greg talked to her and told her she wasn’t crazy that we saw a calmer Belle who was actually willing to talk to Rumple. In fact Greg was the only one who helped Belle. A complete stranger did Belle more good than her “friends” who either completely ignored her or gaslighted her.
GOAT/Home office- I think Tamara would’ve been better off just being Neal’s fiancée rather than a double agent in a plot that went nowhere. At least then when the writers chose to get rid of Neal in favour of CS, they could’ve sent him back happily to New York to be with his fiancée and Henry could go and visit which would account for his lack of screentime in Storybrooke for several episodes in 4A if he was out of town visiting his dad. It would’ve also shown a separated couple working together to raise their son. The Greg storyline could’ve worked if he was just a stranger that entered and left town but I think the whole Home Office plot would’ve worked better if it had been Adult John and Michael that came to town. You’ve still got that connection with Baelfire which is why he’d give them information, you’ve got an actual reason why they’re working for Pan in secret and why they’d take Henry to Neverland because they want to save Wendy. Pan could’ve still sent them in Season 3 to retrieve Pandora’s box but it just would’ve tied the story together better than having them arrive the day everyone went to Neverland as Belle put the shield up but then hang around doing nothing until episode 7.
I disliked Henry in season 2 because he was so bratty. Considering he was supposedly meant to be a smart kid, he was such an idiot that he planned to blow up magic with dynamite. He was so annoying that I hoped the dynamite would go off in his hand to teach him a lesson. Sure, Regina or Rumple would be able to fix it, but he would’ve learned the hard way. What was even more annoying was that the adults, I think with the exception of Rumple and Emma when she finally stepped up and told Henry no, let Henry get away with his bratty behaviour.
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Keeper of FelixChances are it will be long John Silver. Muppets did treasure Island and they’re under the Disney brand.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThat would be out of the blue if it was true, though it could just be a ploy to get eyeballs.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixWith Graham and Regina, they could be playing Scrabble (according to Adam) since we never saw what went on in the room during those council meetings (insert my massive eye roll here) and with Zelena and Robin, it was called a vile thing, and Robin was called unwilling, but they purposefully get around calling it rape.
We even saw Graham and Regina getting dressed so it’s obvious what was going on, and since Graham didn’t know who Regina really was, as the huntsman and Evil Queen, he would’ve never slept with her willingly.
With Zelena and Robin, the issue is that whilst it was so obviously rape, they couldn’t have Regina make a big deal about because she did the same thing to Graham and it would make her look like a hypocrite.
We’ve also seen women raped–either because they get drunk and led back to a place for sex (Hook’s tactic he told Emma about in S3 finale), because they are scammed (Cora and Jonathan and of course Cora here says that she gave away her virtue to him.
I have to disagree here. I don’t think Cora was raped by Jonathan, she made the decision to sleep with him because she thought him rich. Although she later regretted that decision, he didn’t force her. She was a fully grown woman who chose to have sex with a man. Yes he lied to her about his status because he wanted to sleep with her but he didn’t force her or coerce her into sleeping with him, that was Cora’s own choice.
As for Hook, that’s a difficult one to call. There’s different levels of drunk on a sliding scale, there’s tipsy at the lower end where you’re a bit merry but are still able to make rational decisions then there is the opposite end where you’re so drunk you’re basically comatose and you have no awareness of your surroundings. If the women were only “tipsy” and agreed to sleep with Hook willingly then I wouldn’t call it rape. If however, it was the other end of the scale then I would agree that what Hook did was rape.
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Keeper of FelixPan and Zelena……
Nah, just kidding…….. *slowly walks away* >___>
Palena
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Keeper of FelixKidnapping the Lily-egg was so OOC for Snowing and hypocritical, they were going to sacrifice someone else’s child so that their child didn’t turn “dark”. However, Emma turning dark wasn’t always a certainty, Charming’s vision was a happy one and the apprentice even said something along the lines that the visions aren’t definite and that Emma would have to choose her own path but Snow was adamant.
In some respects, I think Charming would actually be better off without Snow. He seems to have slightly more brains about him but he constantly allows himself to be led by Snow. We say that Charming doesn’t have much character about him but that’s because he’s kind of used as an attachment for Snow, he exists around her rather than in his own right. Snow’s character has gotten very self-centred from 3A onwards, everything is about what she wants. Poor Charming isn’t allowed to make his own decisions, he’s very dominated by Snow. An example being during 3B when Charming was trying to find the Wicked Witch, an important task, Snow henpecked him into dropping it all so he could meet the midwife that Snow randomly met in Granny’s (who turned out to be the wicked witch but Snow didn’t know that).
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Keeper of FelixI also think a reason for decrease in viewership could be the audience’s perception of quality. If the writing is subpar then viewers aren’t going to stick around. A change in host can affect the quality of a show if the audience feels the new person isn’t as good as their predecessor.
In many ways, humans are creatures of habit, they like their routines. TV viewing becomes a habit, when there’s a change eg a change of host/lead actor on a popular show, it upsets that routine. The audience has to decide whether or not to accept that change or find something better.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixPlus Emma “rose from the ashes” of her life of crime to better herself and makes something out of her life.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix– Favorite Episode of the Season
Off the top of my head, The outsider. Just because we got to see Belle actually doing something. She was central to that episode in both flashback and present day and it’s a shame that as the seasons have gone on, she’s been reduced to research answers so the “heroes” don’t have to do any legwork.
– Favorite Character Introduced
Felix- This is probably based more on his characterisation in season 3, but I liked the fact that he and Pan were genuine friends. It’s a shame we never got any backstory on him outside of Pan’s lackey.
– Favorite Moment of the Season
I’m not entirely sure. It’s been so long since I last watched it.
– What was your reaction to the reveal that Baelfire turned out to be Henry’s father, which was of course a theory dating back to when Baelfire was first introduced?
I think everyone had guessed that Baelfire was Henry’s dad before the episode aired so the episode focussed more on the emotionality of the reveal rather than the reveal itself.
– What was your initial impression of Hook? Yes I know he’s a very polarized character, but it would be interesting to explore our original opinions on the character.
Over season 3 I was very back and forth about Hook, but in Season 2 the only episode I kind of liked Hook in was Tallahassee. I disliked Hook for his actions in the Crocodile against Rumple because Hook was being a jerk for the sake of it, he slightly redeemed himself in Tallahassee atop the beanstalk but his actions towards Belle both in flashback and The Outsider made me hate him for the rest of the season.
– What was your reaction to the reveal that Dr. Whale was Victor Frankenstein, after an entire previous Season of countless speculation?
It made sense. It looked like he and Ruby were going to have an interesting arc and FrankenWolf was a popular ship but the writers decided to go in a different direction and it kind of showed.
– From what we’ve heard, Season 2 was not originally going to lead into Neverland the way it did. According to Ethan Embry, Greg was originally going to be in less episodes and he got an extension, implying that perhaps the whole Home Office portion of his storyline wasn’t always the plan. Do you feel like they rushed getting the show to Neverland? Should Cora have remained the antagonist for the entire Season instead of switching over to Greg and Tamara?
I don’t think Cora should’ve necessarily lasted longer than she did, but they needed a better villain to follow her into the lead up to Neverland rather than GOAT and their magic taser.
– Regarding this Season, has your opinion changed at all looking back?
Season 2 was weaker than season 1 in some respects but was infinitely better than 4A and 5A.
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Keeper of FelixI think Snowing are superfluous, they don’t add anything to the story other than to harp on about “hope” and to be CS’s cheerleaders. Josh and Ginny could quit, causing Snowing to disappear off screen and, so long as the characters make some reference every now and then to what they are up to, the story would stay exactly the same.
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