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This is the first Doctor Who episode in a long time that I’ve actually enjoyed and looking forward to the next one. Bill is infinitely better than Clara, I hated Clara as a companion and I was on the verge of giving up on the show completely because of how annoying she was and how much of a mary-sue she became. I wish she’d died in the facehugger episode.
I have noticed though that the best companions are the ones with no romantic attachment to the Doctor. Donna, Amy, and now Bill all see the Doctor as a friend rather than a potential boyfriend.
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Keeper of FelixBut I’m more concerned that now we are back at step one with Gideon. He gave a whole thing about how he wants to save all those kids and how he has to defeat black fairy because he promised to save them and all that but now we know that’s not true. She’s been controlling him the whole time.
I still don’t know how I feel about thisEven people without their hearts can have independent thought. Graham helped Snow escape. Hook squeezed Emma’s hand. I think what Gideon said about wanting to save the kids was true.
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Keeper of FelixWith the way Emma is currently acting, a season without her would be a good thing. However, I think because she’s been the main character for the past 6 seasons, season 7 needs her to tie everything together. It’s already risky without the other major characters, but to get rid of the character who is the “face” of the show would be an idiot move. Emma does need a major attitude adjustment in an improved direction though.
If the writers had any sense, they would end it at the end of this season.
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Keeper of FelixRG, there seems to be an issue when it comes to editing posts.
Such as? I’ve not noticed anything on my end so can you elaborate?
When I post the original post it appears in the thread, but then if I edit that post and click submit, it then disappears from the thread.
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Keeper of FelixRG, there seems to be an issue when it comes to editing posts.
So I treat Dark Swan the same way I treat Dark Hook. I don’t hold the actions against them bc the darkness was trying to control them. So in this case, that was not the Emma we know who tried to kill Belle with the Merida Bear. And Rumple wasn’t risking anything. He just needed to drop some of his blood into the water to create a portal. He just didn’t want to do it.
By that logic then, Rumple shouldn’t be held accountable for any of his actions because he’s the dark one and the “darkness” is trying to control him.
Exactly. Precisely why it’s not Emma’s job to tell Belle that her husband to back the DO power. Belle is not really a close friend to Emma. It’s not like her father, or Hook, or Snow, or Henry, or Regina. The fact that she doesn’t care about Belle is precisely why she doesn’t need to tell her anything. She’s not “using” somebody she’s barely friends with. She’s using her husband to get him to do a simple task with zero life risk.
Given the amount of times Emma and co have run to Belle for assistance, they really should be considering her a friend. The fact they don’t reflects badly on them as they just use Belle as and when they see fit. Hook treats Belle with more respect than Emma does and Hook started as a villain.
As to the “zero life risk”, Robin would disagree with you. This wasn’t a simple case of Rumple just opening a portal and saying “see you later”, Rumple had to go to the Underworld too.
He should absolutely feel annoyed. But him of all people should understand what darkness does to people. And Emma came to him when she no longer had the darkness inside her. He should have recognized that and helped her without Emma needing to blackmail him.
Emma blackmailing him without the darkness makes her look even worse. She is toying with the emotions of an innocent woman who has helped her out several times, all so she can get what she wants.
And Emma has done stuff for Belle too. It’s not like she snubs her constantly.
Only when it suits her which is the majority of the time. Emma only has time for Belle when she wants her to research something.
As I recall, Hook, of all people, has done more for Belle than the entire Snowing scoobygang combined, Emma included. I don’t recall a single interaction between Belle and Emma where Emma wasn’t either using Belle for leverage, putting her in danger, or not giving her the time of day. I think we can safely say that Belle is not in Emma’s clique by any stretch of the imagination, and Emma will happily throw her under the bus if it serves her needs.
Agreed. Hook was the one to actually offer Belle a place to stay when she came into Granny’s looking for a room. Emma was just “you don’t want to stay here” and that was it, no offer or recommendation of alternative accommodation. Season 1 Emma would have tried to help Belle out, season 6 Emma doesn’t give a monkey’s backside about anyone outside her little family unit.
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Keeper of FelixSo I treat Dark Swan the same way I treat Dark Hook. I don’t hold the actions against them bc the darkness was trying to control them. So in this case, that was not the Emma we know who tried to kill Belle with the Merida Bear. And Rumple wasn’t risking anything. He just needed to drop some of his blood into the water to create a portal. He just didn’t want to do it.
By that logic then, Rumple shouldn’t be held accountable for any of his actions because he’s the dark one and the “darkness” is trying to control him.
Exactly. Precisely why it’s not Emma’s job to tell Belle that her husband to back the DO power. Belle is not really a close friend to Emma. It’s not like her father, or Hook, or Snow, or Henry, or Regina. The fact that she doesn’t care about Belle is precisely why she doesn’t need to tell her anything. She’s not “using” somebody she’s barely friends with. She’s using her husband to get him to do a simple task with zero life risk.
Given the amount of times Emma and co have run to Belle for assistance, they really should be considering her a friend. The fact they don’t reflects badly on them as they just use Belle as and when they see fit. Hook treats Belle with more respect than Emma does and Hook started as a villain.
As to the “zero life risk”, Robin would disagree with you. This wasn’t a simple case of Rumple just opening a portal and saying “see you later”, Rumple had to go to the Underworld too.
He should absolutely feel annoyed. But him of all people should understand what darkness does to people. And Emma came to him when she no longer had the darkness inside her. He should have recognized that and helped her without Emma needing to blackmail him.
Emma blackmailing him without the darkness makes her look even worse. She is toying with the emotions of an innocent woman who has helped her out several times, all so she can get what she wants.
And Emma has done stuff for Belle too. It’s not like she snubs her constantly.
Only when it suits her which is the majority of the time. Emma only has time for Belle when she wants her to research something.
As I recall, Hook, of all people, has done more for Belle than the entire Snowing scoobygang combined, Emma included. I don’t recall a single interaction between Belle and Emma where Emma wasn’t either using Belle for leverage, putting her in danger, or not giving her the time of day. I think we can safely say that Belle is not in Emma’s clique by any stretch of the imagination, and Emma will happily throw her under the bus if it serves her needs.
Agreed. Hook was the one to actually offer Belle a place to stay when she came into Granny’s looking for a room. Emma was just “you don’t want to stay here” and that was it, no offer or recommendation of alternative accommodation. Season 1 Emma would have tried to help Belle out, season 6 Emma doesn’t give a monkey’s backside about anyone outside her little family unit.
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Keeper of FelixTo me, that’s way different than using Rumple to get him to open the portal to the UW. And she only used Rumple bc he was being a jerk and refused to do it willingly. He could have just done her a solid when she asked him the first time nicely. To me, this has literally nothing to do with Belle.
So you’re ignoring what Dark Swan did to a powerless Rumple during 5A, including nearly killing Belle with the Merida bear, and saying Rumple is at fault for not jumping to help Emma just because she demands it? You’re saying Rumple should risk his life for a man he hates just because Emma demands it?
Let’s say you find out one of your best friends is getting cheated on by their significant other, and your friend doesn’t know, but you do. Is it your responsibility to tell your friend? My answer would be depends on how close you are to the friend.
My answer would be yes, you tell them. If you’re close enough to consider them a friend, you tell them because that is what friends do. They look out for each other. Emma does not give a crap about Belle at all unless she is useful because Emma wants something.
Belle is not even close to the same level as Charming is in relation to Emma. It makes sense that she would feel compelled to tell her father the secret bc A. it’s her father and B. her bf did it. Why does she need to tell Belle anything. It’s not her place to do that. And if you want to argue that Emma was being selfish by using Rumple against Belle, then that’s fair. I agree. But perhaps Rumple should have been a nice person and helped her before he was stuck in a corner.
So Rumple should just go running when Emma clicks her fingers? He shouldn’t feel annoyed about the things he’s been put through and the rest of the “heroes” turning a blind eye?
Season 6 Emma is a control freak and she is actually trying to control Hook eg forcing him to propose after she went rifling through his things to find the ring.
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Keeper of FelixI still think Blue and Black are actual sisters, born two halves of the same whole of something, like Ying and Yang.
That’s an interesting theory. Are you thinking “two fairies born of the same laugh” kind of thing?
Perhaps if that’s the case, the black fairy and the blue fairy can sense each other’s presence, hence why:
a) The blue fairy knew to go to Bae and try and convince him to leave with Rumple (the black fairy’s son and grandson)
b) Why the black fairy knew blue had Gideon
c) why the black fairy wanted blue out of the way so she couldn’t warn anyone that the black fairy was in Storybrooke.Well why do you think she was able to use Rumple? She was able to blackmail him by saying that she would run immediately to Belle and tell her that he was the dark one again. This was information that Belle had every right to know and would have been great if Emma was “savior” enough to let her know, but instead she decided to manipulate Rumple to go to the underworld and leave Belle in the dark in fact USING Belle.
Yeah I just completely disagree with you on this. She didn’t use Belle. She blackmailed Rumple. It’s not her business or her job to tell Rumple’s wife what Rumple is doing. Belle had every right to know, but RUmple should be the one telling her, not Emma. And if Rumple is too much of a coward to tell her himself, then Emma used that against him to get him to help. Was that selfish? Yeah perhaps. But I definitely don’t view it as Emma “using” Belle.
By that logic, it wasn’t Emma’s job to tell Charming that Hook killed Robert. But she did so because she couldn’t hold the information against Hook and use her father as a pawn to get Hook to do what she wanted. Emma used Belle.
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Keeper of FelixThe Dark Realm seems very similar to the one in the Buffy episode Anne. They take kids/teenagers, make them work as slaves then chuck them out when they’re too old to be of any use. The time moves faster aspect is the same too.
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