[Crystal Princess]

JUST TO POINT OUT THOUGH

Even if she’s a Harlot she can still have a “good name” and “virute”. She could have been a more reputable harlot, something more like a Courtesan just poorer.

[Crystal Princess]

aww, either way poor Cora 🙁

I wonder what she’d have turned out like if she had been treated nice…

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[Crystal Princess]

ah yeah i misread. that would be why OITNB got a miss.

like i kind of feel depressed talking about this in some ways partly because i don’t feel like it’s going to happen(at least not the characters I feel work together) and partly because i realise we’re only just talking about this; how far away are we from seeing a trans character(i.e. someone like me) on a show like this? I guess we’re a bit rarer but being trans in of itself potentially has so much fairytale like stuff in it.

I would love if it turned out Ruby was trans somehow, on top of being a werewolf. Meghan Ory is really beautiful in in a kinda androgynous way so it would work. Cue “time of the month” jokes and Granny feeling awful about calling her a drag queen.

It’s one thing that kind of hit me when they said “It’s a boy!” part of me kind of went ho-hum. I think gendering of babies is kinda weird anyway, they’re babies. Attaching mostly somewhat abstract concepts to them(blue for boys, pink for girls etc.) when they’re functionally just noisy flesh cushions you have to keep pumped up with milk is kind of creepy in a way, like grooming a child so it turns out a certain way. Weirdly before the turn of last century the gender of a child was often kept unknown at first.

that said i feel like lesbian representation is more important because at least i can identify with cis female characters especially if they have trans-ish narratives(being born different in some way like Ruby, Elphaba etc.). i can’t really headcanon a straight romance into a queer one in the same way. romance is kind of an active thing you’re engaged in whereas gender/sex can be something that’s kept hidden.

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[Crystal Princess]

also I’m going to like rock the boat even further by suggesting there be some hits at a polyamorous relationship – something Wicked touched on a long as time ago – Elphaba’s parents were both in love with Turtle Dove, and if things had gone better you basically would have ended up with Elphaba/Glinda/Fiyero(esp. in the musical).

Fitting for a show who’s central mythos come from a woman who lived with 7 men.

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[Crystal Princess]

Also RumplesGirl you missed Cosima & Delphine on Orphan Black, to be fair. What’s interesting about that romance too is that it’s also under very “shady” circumstances, and one of them has never thought themselves as being interested in a same sex relationship until them.

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[Crystal Princess]

Does anyone have an actual link to where Eddy said no? Also you are aware showrunners can and will lie so they don’t spoil potential future plans, or that plans can change for a long list of reasons? It just bothers me that people act like it’s set in stone. For all we know they went to one of Lana’s LGBT ally talks and it inspired them. Who knows. It’s just not fair to nuke a ship like that either way.

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[Crystal Princess]

Really too early to be calling Robin Regina’s “True love”… he waso nly in this ep for about 3 minutes too.

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[Crystal Princess]

^ where did they say this outright, though? And even if they did, they could be lying. If Swanqueen was endgame they wouldn’t want to spoil it.

Like unless they have a definite plan for who they’re going to end up with which I really don’t think they do they shouldn’t be ruling anything out anyway.

Here’s a couple of things people should read with regards SQ:

http://www.tv.com/shows/once-upon-a-time-2011/community/post/once-upon-a-time-swan-queen-138316970768/

http://sacredbookofswen.tumblr.com/

^that goes really really deep but it’s impressive the sheer number of parallels etc. it’s able to dig up. it’s really hard to read that and say that nobody involved with OUAT wasn’t at least setting it up as a potential thread even if the showrunners weren’t for it.

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[Crystal Princess]

Also technically Sirenetta didn’t die she turned into an air spirit because otherwise she wouldn’t have a soul.

In my version for my fairytale book she basically refuses the transformation and through force of will, takes control of the transformation spell and uses it to restore herself. And then becomes a magical girl because it’s awesome.

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[Crystal Princess]

But if any show were to tell a story of two women who have only ever been with men, (and I feel like this far into the show, if either of them had been with women before, it would have at least been hinted at by now if it was an aspect of their personality they were planning to explore more at some point in future, as opposed to them being repeatedly portrayed as being with men), both realising at the same point in their lives that they were actually bi and wanted to be together, that’s a story that would demand a level of writing that I wouldn’t trust this particular show with.

The thing is that while proper depiction of queer romance is an *additional* problem the idea that having queer romance, even of this sort needs some sort of specialist treatement rather than ideally having it is kind of crappy. I’d rather see them try than not at all. Even if it’s imperfect, it’s a start. Just because it’s hard doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try at all.

There’s only one writer on staff that I’d be prepared to say could handle such a thing, but this show is, on the whole, a collaborative effort by many writers, so there’s no way that Jane could be given exclusive control over writing everything to do with that relationship.

Again I think that’s kinda the wrong perspective. We need queer characters to be a normal, regular thing and in the context of a show like OUAT we are going to have a lot of unusual relationships because fairytales(Little Mermaid, Beauty & the Beast etc.).

In the case of SwanQueen, it’s not going to happen ever. Ignoring the fact that not only are Regina and Emma related but Regina has tried to kill Emma’s family a lot, both women are heterosexual and have shown no inclination whatsoever for people of the same sex. If there was any plan to make either Regina or Emma homosexual or bi, there would’ve been some hint in the last 2.5 seasons to trigger the transition. To make either character suddenly homosexual would not only be poor writing but a plot device.

It happens in real life though, trust me. I know a friend and someone she knows going through the exact same thing right now. There HAS been plenty of tension between Emma & Regina in the last few eps – like their little moment where Emma told her she always knows when she’s lying – so it’d hardly be out of left field.

If they do plan to introduce a same-sex couple, then there should be more to them than just their sexuality.

I think the bigger problem is that the idea of some characters being in a relationship is “off limits”. Again if Emma had been a guy it’s quite possibly the route they would have gone and is the ultimate sign of redemption for Regina.

There are plenty of characters they could use to explore same-sex relationship in a natural development without forcing it upon the audience./quote]

I don’t like this language. From my perspective I’m “forced” to endure het romance after het romance in most things I follow despite representing something like 8% of the population.

One of the problems is that with the characters we’ve had introduced thus far there’s been *no* sign of homosexuality so they’re going to have to take someone and queer them unexpectedly, or bring in new characters who will feel like they’re brought in for the sake of that.

WolFairy is one potential ship I’d like to see but I don’t think Rose McIver is going to be around much.

Ariel died in the original! And since this is a same-sex paring thread, one of HCA’s reasons behind writing it was his own homosexual desires. Crystal knows more about it than I do. But all of that gets ignored by Disney and now people claim that ONCE should ignore it because “Disney canon” but Disney’s is a skewed interpretation of “original” sources.

Yep. It’s on his wiki article I think.

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