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Technically at least some of the characters from Frozen should be Saami especially if they’re using the new character to tie it to the original Snow Queen tale(which is a good idea IMO and the only other valid reason to do Frozen aside from exploring Elsa as lesbian or asexual). Saami and Inuits share a common genetic lineage and some cultural similarities. It’s actually white washing to cast all white characters for the Frozen characters anyway, as Kristoff is clearly based off a Saami Reindeer herder(though somewhat offensively) and word of god is that he is.
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At the same time I’d love to see some Native representation on the show.
Honestly, they could have cast Inuit actors for the Frozen crew and it would have been awesome. But they didn’t. Bleh.
I remember around the time of Frozen people posted links to Inuit-made films about their own folklore, and they were meant to be really good. It’s not as if good minority actors don’t exist and it’s kinda racist when people pull the “best person for the job thing”. Remember minorities have to be extra competetive anyway.
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Yeah this isn’t just an issue with CaptainSwan, it’s a wider problem with that so I hope people don’t feel too singled out even if it’s the most prominent example that comes to mind.
I ship Rumbelle but there are a lot of issues there.
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Hercules gay would be kind of fitting. I kind of want them to do Megara though, and I sort of don’t want Megara to be a dude, it doesn’t work. What if Hercules was a girl? That would be a pretty impressive flip.
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Don’t forget though Red isn’t Disney stock really at all and she’s one of the best characters on the show.
And utterly ignored to the point where Meghan Ory had to leave to find work.
Is that true though? She seemed pretty happy to be back. I guess the writers realised she was a big part of what made the show work. We’re supposed to be getting a lot more of her in S4?
You know what they need to change the main cast. Still have all the Swan Mills whatever stuff happening in the background, but have them tied up in less active stuff. Make the show about Tink, Ariel, Ruby and Mulan having awesome adventures.
I just realised there aren’t many guys I like on OUAT, lol. I used to like Hook but he was too creepy in S3P2 IMO.
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And I am still waiting for an apology
I apologize if u felt offended by the point I made, but it is a valid point. We don’t know and won’t know unless we see it. I wasn’t saying be gay is like being a zoophile, I was saying Regina could be gay and she could be into a bunch of other things, zoophilia including, and even gave a potential sign of that with her loving relationship with her steed. If you found that offensive, sure, I apologize, but still. Point was, if we never see it, we will never know. The possibilities are endless if we are going by what we aren’t seeing rather than what we are.
Comparing homosexuality to zoophilia in any way is insulting, please don’t do it. “A potential sign of that with her loving relationship with her steed”. Urrrrghhh. No, you’re just mocking us now. Stop with the slippery slope fallacy/false equivalences, please. And don’t apologise for other people “feeling offended”, apologise for your part in hurting them.
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Also, yes, they really need to stop focusing on Disney so much. I’m kind of okay on some levels with OUAT being a Live Action Didney Crossover thing but it’s blatantly not what they’re going for in it’s entirety. I got annoyed at Lana for the first time in my life(didn’t think it was possible) when people asked her what fairy tale characters they could add and she was all “Who HAVEN’t we had? Humpty Dumpty? Humpty Dumpty is coming!” it was an amusing aside but there are so many things they could use. If they wanted to keep recognisable, they could use stuff like Swan Lake or the Nutcracker. I think they’re afraid to do adaptions of Fairy Tales that Disney might have planned, and that might be tying their hands.
Don’t forget though Red isn’t Disney stock really at all and she’s one of the best characters on the show.
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Can we just redo Rapunzel or something, keeping the same actress because she’s QT? They could have done so much with that plotline, I’m so mad. I know it’s getting OT, but can anyone think of a way to maybe bring it in line with the original? I guess she could still be locked up for her hair, but it’s not quite the same if she doesn’t have the history of growing up in a tower thing.
A female Flynn Rider would be really interesting. Also, the original Rapunzel was more badass than people remember since she actually took an active role in her escape. Tangled actually got some stuff closer to the original tale than people realise.
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Can we just stop using the heteronormative label. You don’t like the crack label, I don’t like the heteronormative label.
No. It describes a valid social phenomenon that oppresses a marginalised group. Crack is not a technical, sociological term and is not useful in critical analysis of media. And please do not tell queer people what language they can use to describe their issues. It’s not to do with my personal disagreement with you and you’re making light of the oppression faced by LGBTQ people to make this about you or pull a false equivalence where potentially homophobic ones are held on the same level as inclusive ones. If you’re reading this, pick out the term “Homophobic” and immediately get reactionary and say “I’m not homophobic! How dare you!” – stop, listen, and rethink. That’s not what’s being said and even if it was, some people ARE homophobic or say homophobic things, and need to be called out on them. Just because you have an image of yourself as perfectly tolerant does not make it so. It was incredibly homophobic of you for example to wish there was no queer ship in OUAT just to spite Swanqueen, i.e. Queer shippers. It was hateful towards a subset of queer people. It was plainly homophobic.
When you get upset over accusations like this, you are basically saying my personal discomfort at being called out on being oppressive is vastly more important than actual oppression. The needs and difficulties of queer people should take a backseat to my having of a clean image. When someone accuses you of being homophobic, racist or otherwise oppressive – you listen, acknowledge, and apologise. It doesn’t mean you’re suddenly a bad person. We all live in a society that propagates a certain degree of inequality and often say things in ignorance, we’re all a little bit racist, homophobic, sexist etc. because we’re all prone to institutionalised biases. But you can’t demand an oppressed group view you as a good person when you refuse to act like one.
You wish for the label to be dropped because you do not wish for a negative label to assigned for you. I would suggest instead you look at it this way – I am not queer, I do not have much experience talking about these issues. What if, due to a lack of first hand experience of information, I could be mistaken, and there is a bias in my thinking that needs correcting?
These labels exist to describe real issues. Asking for us not to use it because it vaguely bothers you, when the lack of the word would mean we can’t describe a form of oppression experienced by homo/bisexual people is extremely privileged. The term heteronormativity is not an attack on you personally anymore than “patriarchy” is an attack on all men. It describes a system where straight is the assumed default and an unreasonable burden of effort is placed on homosexual depictions to even get a foot in.
One thing I’d ask is that non-LGBTQ people respect the terminology being used by LGBTQ people. This is a big part of ending oppression. I am not attacking anyone with this. I’m just calling out things that are being said, which are hurtful and oppressive towards a group that is still far from full equality. Please respect that.
As for assuming a character is straight unless shown otherwise, why can’t we think of a character however we want until shown evidence to the contrary? There is nothing wrong with that. People have their own views and opinions that are just as valid as someone else’s. Neither opinion is wrong until evidence is presented otherwise.
But you do not require evidence to assume for example, Regina and Emma are straight. Yet someone this is used to rule out Swanqueen constantly.
It is heteronormativity and the reason you are sick of hearing that is that you don’t want to rethink your argument and how it affects others. It’s wrong, and I’d ask you to please consider changing your perspective. And please stop pushing the false equality of “just as valid”. Queer shippers do not get the same voice in the fandom(or society) that you guys do. You’re making the assumption there’s a level playing field. There’s not. Pretending everyone’s equal doesn’t fix that. You need to acknowledge that some form of oppression of oppression/exclusion/erasure is taking place and give queer people the space to talk about it. Many people have this idea that not seeing sexuality, not seeing race etc. and not bringing it up is the only way to be equal. This is completely incorrect and extremely historically ignorant. It’s what people say when they don’t want to think about being part of an oppressive institution. It’s rarely someone like me that says it.
We’ve seen Ruby showing an interest in men so it’s reasonable to say she probably likes men. That’s not to say she can’t like women.
Then stop demanding evidence that she is. There is something wrong with “assuming” characters are straight because the practice of straight until proven otherwise is a big part of why queer people have been utterly erased or silenced in certain sections of the media.
Demanding that queer people prove their case to you is gross and oppressive and taking offence to being called out on it is wrong. I’m just telling you, nicely, as a queer person who has a lot of knowledge on this subject, the way you’re going about this is hurtful, and reminding you that you speak as a position of privilege. If you get upset about this argument, you can walk away from it. If people decide to get tone policey, we can’t have this discussion at all while you can go back to your CaptainSwan or OutlawQueen thread. We cannot walk away from a lack of representation in the media and how OUAT has failed minorities pretty badly. We cannot enjoy the show in the same way you do. Please respect that and you will be shown respect in kind.
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