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Guys, what else is starting soon that we wanted to watch? We need more besides Crossbones
I dont remenber if we talked about summer shows or more about the winter, i know i have many for winter, that gives me hope that at least of some of them get canceled, i still get some.
Some of us talked about night shift, that is a medical drama also on NBC, but on the other networks i dont know, what is out there.
[adrotate group="5"]"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Happy Sunday from Baby Bison and NealWhale!!!!!!
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Besides Orphan Black and Grimm, i saw Arrow and love it, started seing NBC new shows : Night shift and Crossbones, love them also.
And have already a list of shows to see next season, good part only Castle and Greys on ABC( and i probably will wait for the DVD to see them, or see them online only after the seasons end in summer) meaning now shows on ABC for me next year.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
We already listened to this song on the original version and all probably thought in SF, now there is a new version.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
@Ranisha, here it is.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
And we not even got a last kiss goodbye or one I love you from both parts. So sad the way the story ended 🙁
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
@Phee , i only heard this version of the song and thought was beautiful, if i had like an artistic vision i would totaly do a video with this song.
@RG and @Ranisha, yeah i saw today somethings online that made me think , i mean this is a show, so how is possible that a show brings the worst of people, is still something that makes me wonder, i mean, i was already involved in others fandoms and even now im finding some other fandoms, and from what i see and saw, there is crazy people everywhere, but i never saw so many hate and worst things like i see on ouat fandom. And the worst part is that the writers, cast , media and network support this behaviour.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
@ Rainbow what bother’s me is the show is setting up so majority of the fandom to root for a good character to die. Granting we all knows she dies, but still I don’t like the fact that this show is prodding people to root for the death of a good person so that the two people can get together. They were already having romantic involvement, why do this. Why ripped a mother from her son twice, why make a man lose a person he loves twice. We already did that with Neal. I don’t understand that. I see no story reasoning behind it. Does Happy endings mean good people have to die so that former villains get theirs. Poor actress she is going to be sent through the ringer with this fandom. I dread the hate tweets she will received. And poor Marian would probably be twisted or viewed as some conniving witch who can never do or say anything right. Then she would die and her family would cry for 1 or 2 episodes and shrugged their shoulders as they moved forward to the next plot point.
With that saying, I love and enjoy some villains as well but I would never agree with any of their methods or wrong doings nor would I condone them. I don’t even agree with some of the things that good guys do. But understanding, justifying or condoning their actions are three different things. I do realize that people tend to excuse and forgive the actions of the characters (no matter how cruel or vile they are) they like best verses those characters they don’t particularly care for. Just look at Neal, Hook, Rumple, and Regina, Neal is the most innocent out of the four yet the most condemn.
That is what perturbs me the most, because they put the fans in a position to root for a character death, yes is a character not real, but still this is a good character, not some villain.Also is true, that Neal was always more hated than even the villains, and i think that helped in some way deciding that Neal death was the only solution , since they get rid of one problem and dont need to say more about him or his story. I even bet if ABC decided to bring back from death all characters that died, but saying that one of them will needed to say dead for real, im sure that the majority of fandom would want Neal to stay death, against all the villains that died so far . This is a lot to blame on the writers, they should have develop Neal before 214, so what we knew that he was Bae, Emma, Henry and Rumple didnt knew. Why not make Neal go to Sb after the postcard, or why not show him on NY on his life, like this everyone could judge or not if they like Neal or not. Becaus the Neal situation is a lot like when you say, i dont like this food, but never taste it, so how can you know that you wont like it? This happened with Neal, they didnt develop him, unlike with Hook, and when they show Neal and Emma, the episode ended in a way that let many people to believe Neal was a scumbag that didnt deserved Emma or Henry, and kept develop Hook as some poor guy that was doing revenge in name of love, and that if emma give him a chance he would help her and would not care about Cora, so i guess that by the end, people were already with this idea that Neal didnt deserved to be happy and no way this person was that sweet kid we saw in S1 and on fb, another undevelop character, people didnt saw Neal and Bae as one, i mean, even the own writers didnt saw him like that, 315 was an example, for them Neal betrayed Emma, didnt look for her after the postcard, found a fiance very quickly, was running from his father, treated rumple bad after everything he done for him, used roland and magic to get the shadow to come to take him to NVL, abandoned his father instead of putting his son on 1st place, fight with hook over a lighter( the fact that hook also fought means nothing), and all the other things people blame Neal for, the thing is even the fact that Neal was breathing was a problem, so they took care of that problem, but with that problem they ended the life of a young boy that only wanted a family and a home, and that loved his son, his father and emma, and in the end none of this cared much that he died, or even tried to change things. I saw something on twiter that reminded me of this : “If it is important enough to you, you will find a way. If it is not, you will find an excuse”, this was what happened not only onscreen with the characters, but also publicly with the writing team regarding Neal and i may say in BTS with the cast regarding MRJ.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Although i wont say anything spoiler, i will tag it as spoiler, so that only people who want to read want i say can see it, just a warning, this is a deep analyse about the new values the show is passing to the fans.
Im not sad any more, at some point i was actually in the road to dont care anymore, but the peace that the hiatus brought me , made me analyse the overal show and fandom.
Now im angry and bitter, not only because of the bad writing, not because so many stories could have been told, the OOCness of the characters, the media and possible network hand in the whole thing, but what makes me more perturb and sick is the fandom.
The show started by showing messages of happy ending, hope, second chances, love, family, friendship, no longer supports that, in fact suports the opposite, i will use some lines that a friend posted on facebook about it.Some may say that the fans refuse to see this( in this case im talking about fandom in general, not ships, and obvious nor GA, because this last, dont analyse, just see the show bc they dont have anything else to do or see, they dont love or loved the show as the fandom still does or used).
I find it quite perturbing that the values that the fandom defends and i believe that everyone sees this, are a symbol of what some persons may be on their real lifes.
I mean people are wishing death on persons, bc they can destroy their favorite couple, or even wishing a mistress to break a family, and the writers and cast actually even push this and give the fans hope.
That No means Yes after sometime , bc someone may be hot and is always good to say no in order to get the other person to keep insisting, once again with the cast and writers publicly supporting this.
That is no big that your son dies bc you can be happy without him, as long as you have a romantic love.
( This although i dont support justice by own hands, i understand the why) That people dont agree with killing a bad person( that help destroying several lives) and that a father doesnt have right to revenge his son, just bc the person that is murdered deserves a second chance, while the person that deserves the most that chance is ok to be death, bc opened one vault while cheated by the person that was murdered.Lesson to taken from this, even if you destroy and kill people, is ok to have another chance, bc your sister needs a family and you look hot, so villains deserve HE and heroes, crap deaths.
That is fine to start a marriage with lies, just bc they are TL and were separate for so long.
Once again to lie, kill, use people , should now be a reason to have a happy ending, but main condition you need to look hot, bc if you are a not so hot adult turn to a child, a crazy not so hot woman with no heart, a pirate that is not young and hot, a crazy perturb king that only want money to his kingdom( talking about you king george), in that case burn in hell.
That is ok for a child not to mourn his father or even cry, bc he will soon have 2 new daddys;
That is ok, for someone that lived 10 years with so much to tell someone she love so much, after one day simply move on to the next person.
That is also ok, to have characters that are OOC , just because the writers are giving me what i want, bc if i didnt get that, in that case i would agree that they are OOC. I saw people saying that everyone suffered by neal death, and in that case i ask, in which episode? bc the only time they suffered was on S2 and was only like 4 characters and only for 1 or 2 days, this season, no one cared about neal dying, i saw that some people said Regina suffered bc of henry, but she didnt, simply because Henry didnt suffered, he didnt care, he cried a bit last season, bf being kidnap, but after that was no big deal and this year nothing, ok, he didnt have his memories, but still after he got them , he simply put a flower on the grave and no problem lets move on. That is there is OOC this season, and even Rumple when he says Bae was family, he was not family, he was the most important person in the world.
The fact that people say they dont believe in the writers and send them hate but when they give them what they want they are all, this writers are great, for me that is selling yourself to the best bid.
Once again, this is not to talk about ships, but about the core values of the show, that are linked to some characters, this is a show, i may like a character but admit his/her flaws, for example, im a Neal fan, but i agree that he made many mistakes, i guess what i mean is , we can like a character, but still say, this is all being very bad writen, bc this is a bad example to society, but no is see fans excusing their favorite characters, and they have the right, but still the values they are defending on the show, are the values that they may use on real live and that for me is the most perturbing.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
