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I found a line that MRJ said some time ago, and i think may explain many things:
“Research is something that I really enjoy as an actor and it’s something that I really throw myself into. I don’t want to leave any stone unturned, so there’s no way I would have gone on set having not known the arc of the character and the direction he was going to go.”
We can all agree that OUAT has became crap at the story line, doesnt have sense, the episodes dont link, characters OC, maybe was ABC pressure, maybe was A/E not knowing what to do with neal, maybe was actor request, or maybe was the 3 things.
The reason why i dont have hope is because of that MRJ line, he is to good of actor to go back to OUAT. and ABC and A/E also dont want him back, and i do think that they will show soon CS was a sceond chance, yeah i used this words for emma to find true love after having lost her 1st. But i have to say that is bc of this i keep coming back, you are great persons and some of you have hope, and that is beautiful and amazing.
[adrotate group="5"]"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I thought I was getting over it, but I think what’s really holding me back is the creative betrayal I feel. I really looked up to A&E, they were my inspiration in a lot of ways. I have screenwriting ambitions, and I’m actually starting to second guess them I’m so cynical about the whole thing. That’s so depressing.
I don’t know why but this week felt harder than the last. Today I just don’t have any sort of joy for ONCE being on. I’m like, “oh. Sunday. Right.” *shrug* It is what it is. We’re allowed to feel how we want.
I think the reason why is harder this week and probably the next ones even more, is because we are seing the reason why they kill him, seing the characters acting oc, like neal never existed, and everyone saying that we are crazy for still talking about this and how this story was probably planed since the beginning so we need to accept and see the show like we love it and like nothing happened.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I can’t stop thinking about how fatalistic and depressing killing Neal off is…and how it doesn’t encourage growth in ANY of the characters. Ugh, I wish I could just get over it, but I can’t.
Agree, in fact Neal death only makes all the other characters have an oc behaviour in order to find their happy endings. Would have been better to kill neal last year, bc the characters all acted as in pain for his death, now they all look like nothing happened( just like the cast towards MRJ) and simply don`t care, and everything seems rush, also in the NVL arc was connected to neal would have made sense that the characters mourning him, but OZ is not connected to neal what so ever, the only connection was that Zelena was responsable for his death. Just hope that they dont redeem Zelena in the end and all live like a happy family while no one will ever remenber neal.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
But why them? Why not just some random peasant. Take his heart, make him do it.
I’ve only seen the episode once and only saw the first 5minutes of last week’s episode so I can’t verify if they touched up on this (someone can correct me if I’m wrong) but I think she used them specifically because she knew Rumple had the dagger and he wasn’t going to give it up unless it was to protect the one who used the key. It didn’t matter if it was Belle or Neal just as long as one of them used it. Which begs the question, how did she even know that Rumple was dead, with the dagger, and in that vault? She wasn’t even in SB when he sacrificed his life and “killed” his father.
She knew bc Regina told her on 313, but she didnt told her how. So the thing is how did she knew that Belle and Neal were looking to bring Rumple back? How did she knew that he was inside the vault and not really death? how did she knew he could come to live? how did she knew about the key? i think she was the one that put it there, as well with Lumiere, there are many questions about this, that probably will never be explained.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Can i just say that i hope A/E will never come and say that Cs was always their plan to end the show, bc no way they will convince me that they made a pirate separate 1 family, that in a way was part of the reason why rumple became the dark one, that made bae go into a portal, that made him go to NVL, that made hook sell him to Pan, that made neal after centuries come to a land without magic and meet emma, then listen to august and made emma be arrested, pregnant, what made her give up Henry, while hook was trying to hurt Belle on the EF, making alliances with Regina, Cora. That at some point , left emma, mulan, aurora and snow arrested in rumple cell, with no food and drink, lets not even talk about everything behind, like let cora kill a village, take aurora heart, and then tries to avoid emma and snow to go to SB, when in SB, makes so many other bad things that will take a longer post to tell them all, so in the end if they came and say that CS was end game and Bae/Neal only deserved death, i will be very pissed and angry. I guess what i want to say is if they want to make Cs endgame, will still mad and think in fan service, just hope they will never say the words, was always our intention from the beggining, when we had the idea to the show, bc for me that will be the final and confirm proof this had network pressure.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I’ve pretty much accepted that CS is happening. Whether or not it was planned from the start or when the decision for it happened, well…that’s another story. Sorry to any CSers reading this, but I don’t think CS was endgame until somewhere in S3A. Just my opinion, though.
Yeah, is now pretty much clear they will do Cs end game, if not starting on 317, i will see it around 318, with right to true love kiss, to make sure no one has doubts. Everytime the writers and actors speak, they only show me how wrong was for me to loose time with this, the only thing good were the friends i gain with this.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Ok, im going to say somthing about some posts that were writen in previous pages, and in this case is related to MRJ leaving or not.
I think i read here someone saying that MRJ would not ask to leave, bc of hate he is to professional, and should be prepared to hate and love from fans.Then there is a friend of mine that says that she also doesnt believe that he would wanted out, because was to rush, and also if contract break ABC could even sue him.
Then we arrive to the storyline reason, dont think so, bc was to rush, and to quickly and no way this was decided like between seasons, i mean ABC wouldnt want to pay an actor a whole year, and use him for only few episodes just for the writers fan, and also were A/E looking for him not the opposite, that is why i think was something decide during NVL arc, not beg, so MRJ would still had 1 season contract.
Now ABC, would the network pressure them to kill neal, to make CS? maybe , but they would knew that was what the fans would think, and would look bad for the network, also was just the case of putting neal with someone else, they wouldnt need to kill him.
However, what if was a conbination of all the above factors, MRJ wanted to leave, A/E didnt know what to do with Neal on Oz arc and ABC wanted to push CS as couple?
An that the solution for this would be, kill him in a episode that would move the story the rest of the season( that was A/E part), pretend he was working and not look for other jobs( MRJ part), and keep him on credits and pay him until the end of the season as way to compesate the time lost on the show, avoid spoilers and could still use him in FB until the end of season,so avoid pay him per epi if was necessary(ABC part).
During his twiter stament MRJ said that he loved to work with the writers, cast, crew, and network from down to top, so made me think,and i confirmed in the chat that ABC is the the last of the networks to tell shows next year, and now i wonder , probably not true, what if since MRJ couldnt look for pilots, to avoid spoilers, what if to compensate him ABC promissed him a regular place in other of their big shows? and that is why MRJ still didnt made interviews, that same with the cast that knows the deal, and only after the show ends, and ABC says the shows for next season we will find out, bc MRJ did say stay tuned. This is just a crazy idea that crossed my mind.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I just saw Sneak Peek #2 on the OUAF FB page, and I said that Hook is a bit OOC and that the writers are starting to mess up their characters (I don’t think I need to convince you on that point, that’s pretty much what we’ve been saying for 2 weeks). When the woman who runs the page answered me, I started to wonder why I bothered to say something : “I think that the writers who actually invented these characters know what they would and wouldn’t do. They can’t be ‘messing up’ their own inventions. They are simply telling the story they want to tell, regardless of whether or not it pleases everyone.” I’m really sick of all those people who agree with everything the writers do and say, just because…they’re the writers, nothing else. And I’m also sick of their favourite argument “you’re not the writer, so you cannot say anything negative about the way they write the story”. I don’t know if we watch the same show. I just guess it takes all kinds to make a world…
About the people from that site, i have to say they are very biased towards Hook, to the point that some time ago, bc the 312 aired, they put something about Cs, and a friend of mine said something on twiter and their anwser was how do you know emma loves neal and not hook, and my friend say to them, check the epi 221,304, 306 , bc you probably dont see the show, their awnser , they erase their tweet, on another situation, also with my friend, they posted something about cs, bc ABC posted on their fb, and my friend made a critic that abc should post from other characters, their anwser, you dont do promotion, hook gets the more likes on our fb, and my friend anwsered, i was talking about ABC fb page, unless you and abc are the same, in that case the critic is for both, you represent all fans, so should not be biased, their answer again, erased their tweet.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Thanks for the info. I already have the eye of the world and great hunt on hold in my library
You are welcome.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Wow this sounds like a great book! *off to the library* I am a HUGE fan of time travel, so how is it that I never heard of it…?
this a series of 15 books, one prequel and then 14 that make the story, each book has like more than 900 pages.
Also printed in The World of Robert Jordan’s The Wheel of Time.
0. New Spring pags:332 chapt:26 words 121,81 5 January 2004
1. The Eye of the World 832 53 305,902 15 January 1990
2. The Great Hunt 736 50 267,078 15 November 1990
3. The Dragon Reborn 704 56 251,392 15 October 1991
4. The Shadow Rising 1,008 58 393,823 15 September 19925. The Fires of Heaven 992 56 354,109 15 October 1993
6. Lord of Chaos 1,024 55 389,264 15 October 1994
7. A Crown of Swords 896 41 295,028 15 May 1996
8. The Path of Daggers 704 31 226,687 20 October 1998
9. Winter’s Heart 800 35 238,789 7 November 2000
10. Crossroads of Twilight 864 30 271,632 7 January 2003
11. Knife of Dreams 793 37 315,163 11 October 2005
12. The Gathering Storm 1,071 50 303,630 27 October 2009 Completed by Brandon Sanderson.13. Towers of Midnight 864 57 328,000 2 November 2010
14. A Memory of Light 909 49 357,523 8 January 2013Actually there are several towers, the tower where are located the aes sedai( the good ones) there is also a dark tower for the forces of evil and one of the books is named tower of midnight.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
