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You could be right RG. It could be the business side of TV but that doesn’t explain why none of his cast mates have acknowledged him leaving. Surely ABC wouldn’t stop them from doing that. There would be no reason to ask that of them.
Heather thinks it’s a sign of support for MRJ if it was ABC, a censure against ABC I guess. I don’t know, though. I’m conflicted over all of it. I suppose they could have called or said goodbye on set and not done it publicly on Twitter. They may not understand how the fans would see that.
No one will ever convince me that nothing was going on behind the scenes before MRJ left the show. This cast was tighter than all get out just a few months ago during the NL arc and now, they barely tweet anything about the show and don’t even tweet each other anymore. Something is fishy with this whole thing and it is really starting to make me upset. Why won’t they say anything? Why did Josh’s BTS pictures stop (my theory on that one…he got horrible reactions to the Neal funeral pic and decided to stop posting them)? Why doesn’t anyone live tweet anymore? Why are Keegan, Raphael, Michael Coleman, Lee Arenburg, and random other 2nd tier character actors doing all the tweeting about the show lately?! There’s too much evidence to the contrary for me to believe that MRJ’s exit was for ‘storyline reasons’. Personally, I really do think ABC wanted him gone and the main cast isn’t happy about it. Actors are used to coming and going from projects so why is this whole scenario playing out in such a shady way? BTW-I would appreciate hearing something down the line about how the cast was great to him away from social media, that they all called or texted him after the episode, or heck, that they threw him a goodbye party in Vancouver. The problem I have with the lack of social media response is that Scandal also killed off a main character a while back and the ENTIRE CAST was still tweeting with the guy whose character died the NIGHT his death was confirmed and they still tweet with him now! They were all great about it so there is a way to be gracious about a fellow cast mate leaving a show without ruining anything for the rest of the fans or the story. The fact that this OUAT cast, who by all accounts are some of the nicest people on the planet, haven’t said ANYTHING about it or to MRJ (aside from a very few comments from non main actors) is what makes me believe something fishy is going on. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…..there’s usually a duck involved somewhere that isn’t quacking up the whole story for us. *still annoyed by this situation* (Pardon my duck analogy, LOL)
Agree and lets not forget the twiter unfollow and the fact that as soon as fans complaint to Adam, ONCEABC was following MRJ.
Also the rumours that fans sent to Adam, about being MRJ asking out bc of ABC fan service to hook and crap writing, where he even beg the fan not to say that:”please , please stop saying that and please dont spread that as true”, he actually asked fans to no pass it as true, he could have said simply, not true, dont believe in rumours, but no he used the world please several times.
For example, they all change their words around the time they were already over with the nvl arc, on the premiere, there was a party and neither Emilie or MRJ ( he was at his sisters birthday party, but didnt made on time to the party), also jared sister( this was someone that was pointed out at other forum,) was a big big SF shiper, stop tweeting on october, around that time they already were preparing the part 2 season, so maybe was around that time they found out and maybe jared told her, and about that time were reveal the nominations to the PCAs, that happened on 8th of Jan, they day they filmed the death scene.
Also until 307 MRj used to talk about Neal as I after 308 he talk about him as He, also when asked if there was hope to Sf, on a 308 live tweetingm he said there is hope for all ships, the same with jared that always said that he wanted neal and emma together, around the same time started saying that as long emma was happy henry would be happy.
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i asked my friend a crazy about WOT and ex ouat fan , until 315, and she sent me some curiosities, but both her and me think that there is no hope, that they wouldnt go that way. either way the post, sorry is to big, has many real descriptions, is posted on the theory thread.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Well i wasnt going to post it here, for many reasons being one, i dont have hope in this, but there are certain curiosities, OUAT story line and WOT.
As someone that used to be fan of wot books, should have notice, so i talked with a friend you all know @ozma, and she is even more fan than me of wot, she used to be envolved in foruns and stuff like that, once i told her about this theory she went to her files and sent me some things, she even start reading the books again, although she doesnt ahve many hope that this come true, especially bc the writers and actor confirmed this.
Besides the characters, there is someone name Blue, Dark One, Moiraine and a heapon called Balefire( that has the ability to change the past).
The colors on WOT are green and red, the same as the colors of regina and zelena gloves.
There are 3 symbols, there is a sword, a heart of stone and a another stone that can control some people and some things.
The dark one is closed in a hole in the ground a sort of vault. Where there souls and shadows are, and were the pattern is weaker.
Certain statements by characters throughout the series have also led to the theory that the Pattern itself is the Dark One’s prison. One prime example of this is that the hole in the Dark One’s prison, the Bore, is described as being the thinnest area of the Pattern. Alternatively this could mean that the Pattern is somewhat of a protective bubble, not meant to imprison the Dark One but rather to protect those that live within the Pattern, and that this “thinnest area” could be where the Dark One wore away at the Pattern trying to “break in”.An example of this could be found in the descriptions of the True Power, its use being granted only by the Dark One himself, and its abilities free of the gender restrictions of the One Power, as well as being able to accomplish some things thought impossible with the One Power. This may indicate that a power completely separate from the One Power exists, and if such is true then one can assume that not all things are part of or birthed from the Pattern. Another example could be derived from speculation about the amount of influence the Dark One has over the Pattern. The Dark One is able to influence the Pattern greatly, and even more so the closer one travels toward Shayol Ghul and the Bore. This level of control over the Pattern greatly overshadows the influence that even ta’veren have on the Pattern. The Age of Legends was a veritable utopia nearly free of all violence, corruption, and completely free of the Dark One’s influence. Moving along this line of thinking one can discern that the Pattern cannot be manipulated outside of itself and therefore the Pattern, rather than a prison acts as a barrier preventing the Dark One from entering and thus preventing his influence.”
There are a militar order that is called the children of light, that have the main gole of fighting the darkfriends, the people that use magic, and guess what their symbol is the same of Philip kingdom, a sun.
There is a one Tower, where the female persons with magic, called the one power, thsi sort of reminds me of BF and the nuns, in WOT are called Aes Sedai.
The pattern is the same as wheel of time( destiny) and has like a aspect of the big part of a dreamcatcher, and you can some times see if that person was supposed to die or not, ( if was her time or not).
There is a talk to a final batle that will occur between light and darkness, like that the description about ouat that a final battle would start.
Also, they sometimes travel to other places through mirrors.
There is a description of the wheel of time given by one of the characters, Moiraine:
The Wheel of Time weaving the universe“The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and we are only the thread of the Pattern.”
—Moiraine Damodred
And who do we know that weaves? Rumple.
About the Balefire, i think was already mentioned here, but i will put the description again:
“Balefire in use
When a target is struck with balefire, its thread in the pattern is destroyed, in an amount proportional to the power of the balefire strike. This translates to the target’s existence being completely erased, chronologically in reverse. For example, should an Aes Sedai use balefire on an attacking bandit, the bandit’s action of attacking the Aes Sedai and anything leading up to the action of the attack would be erased; this would be determined by the power of the balefire attack. The stronger the balefire, the further back in time the object in question will be burned from the pattern. This can have serious consequences on the pattern; the use of an extremely powerful blast of balefire to destroy a great number of lives at once has been shown to produce an effect referred to as a “balescream,” the sound of the Pattern itself groaning under the strain of rearranging itself around such a large gap. All events that could have been said to have “happened” before the destruction of an individual’s thread are remembered by any other individual, though the physical reality of the situation is now changed; anyone that was witness or party to the “reversal” of time will still remember all the events that were undone as if they had actually happened even if the effects themselves no longer exist.
The weave to create balefire with saidin uses Fire and Air.”
“Balefire can even bring people back from the dead, or rather, prevent them from dying in the first place; Aviendha, Asmodean and Matrim Cauthon were brought back to life when Rahvin was hit by balefire with enough force to undo the attack that caused their deaths. In another instance, Mat was saved when the Darkhounds that attacked him were burned away to the point before injuring him.”About the dark one and the balefire:
“The Dark One is unable to resurrect any person who is killed by balefire, mentioning himself that he is not capable of “stepping outside of Time.” As balefire technically causes a person to die in the past, it is assumed that the Dark One can only resurrect someone within a certain time-span, with balefire exceeding that limit. Another possibility is that due to the nature of the wheel, when a person dies, their thread does not end, but is simply set aside until it is used again/reincarnated as another person. Balefire burns the thread meaning that the thread can no longer be used in the Pattern’s weave.
In terms of defending against it, balefire appears to be unblockable by any other weaves of the One Power. Cuendillar is the only substance known to withstand balefire’s effects, but whether it is capable of blocking or deflecting it is unknown.[2] Callandor, while infused with the Power, was observed on one occasion to have the ability to part a stream of balefire and it is suspected that the crystal sa’angreal is made of a type of cuendillar. The only time the One Power has prevented balefire from reaching its target was during Rand’s duel with Sammael: Rand and Moridin’s balefire crossed paths, forming an unexplained link between them. These two instances are the only known occurrences of balefire being either blocked or diverted in the waking world. In Tel’aran’rhiod, Perrin is able to block balefire with the palm of his hand, dismissing it as “meaningless.”
Typically, when struck with balefire, the target’s colors will reverse (a Halfman will appear as white clothes on a black body instead of black clothes on a white body), and the object will fade away. When Rahvin was struck with a very powerful bolt however, he simply vanished without the typical scenario.
In order for a channeler to create balefire, he or she must be very strong in the Power. Moraine admits to only barely being able to form the weave yet at the time she was among the strongest living Aes Sedai. There is at least one ter’angreal capable of producing balefire, stolen from the White Tower by Liandrin’s Group of Black Sisters, allowing this inconvenience to be circumvented, though they are almost impossible to control.”
Sorry this is so big, once again this is all curiosity, bc i don have hope and my friend says that she believes there are more coincidences, but she thinks are only that coincidences, she says that no way this will be A/E choice, bc this is not done in 2 epi, this would mean at least a season to show, and and for that zelena would have to be a vilain also next year, and they probably only brought her for this 11 epi.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
YAY COOKIES! Now I hope even more that it happens.
Seriously though, that’s why I started writing it out in the first place, (before it morphed into an actual fanfic thing), to show how I’ve used actual canon themes and logic to come up with the crack headcanon. It’s not just random musings, it’s musings based on what the show has actually given us, because I love me some context. Congrats, is perfect.
If only this happen.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Yeah that was strange for her to just do it. But I swear to God if I EVER see another CSer try to proclaim that Neal has no faith in Emma’s superpowers…
I stay away from the “shipping politics” as much as I can. I stay here in the comfort of my ship where it’s warm and cozy, if not a little depressing lately. However I did go over and read a little of the CS thread and it made me realize my hope that Neal is still alive or that his death can somehow be reversed (love your head cannon btw) is no more ridiculous that CSers thinking Emma is gonna declare her love for Hook in the next episode. It made me laugh and if they can have such high hopes, so can we!
Good morning everyone.
The thing is i do see them making emma enough Oc to start something with Hook soon, no saying like 317, but after that, lets not forget 304 that she was crying about neal and then after on 305, that probaby on the same day was letting Regina take teens hearts and flirting with hook and finally kiss him.
Im some way all the media article, A/E interviews ( about emma and hook have a chance to talk about their feellings for each other, that is lame, bc emma and neal never had any to do that and had 2 minutes scenes to talk) and even Jen interviews, have been hitting that, like pretend that Hook was always there for her, never let her down, now is even involve in Henry life, and with Neal saying that she needs to move on, in the middle of the grief, she can say, well, there is a crazy witch, so why not to have fun with hook, and see where this going, if i had to bet i would say 318, since was back then that Jen and Colin gave some media interviews, and all writers back then said that they had more info about CS that would keep for later. I even see them bring neal as some sort of ghost to say goddbye to henry and give his blessing to hook and emma.
This show no longer follow a logic or is rational, so yeah, i see them making Emma and Hook a thing as soon as possible, and even with a TLK ( especially bc of some rumours/spoilers from crew about 320) and even using that to wake the memories, since Henry i believe by 320 already has his memories, bc he is with them at that creepy place with marks on the floor.
Sorry be so negative, but this show simply lost logic, rationality for me, in fact i think the more we think in worst things to happen, the more i feel that they will happen, I dont longer believe in the writers or have hope that good things happen, in fact i believe that all characters will be OC, and Neal will be forgotten by everyone, including Rumple and Henry( this if with this past thing they dont erase henry or make him be hook and emma son).
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I think the only way to avoid neal death, was destroy Pan in NVL,with no pan in sb, means no go back to EF, means no rumple sacrifice, means emma would meet neal at grannys,and other things
I think the only way to avoid Neal’s death was not to write it in the first place
Yeah I go back and forth all day: hope or no hope? Every interview I read from A and E seems to say that he won’t be coming back. But then Zelena’s plan….*sigh* About Zelena plans, i guess they could bring back baelfire, and in this rewrite, Bae never goes to land without magic after NVL and returns to EF and then would meet emma, in that case neal never existed and emma and bae would meet with all past story between themselfs.
But i dont have hope anymore, the way they came to confirm that was Neal the death and that the regular was MRJ, happened to avoid people thinking he would come back, or for the fans to avoid thinking that because of Zelena plans, in all their interviews they talk about , this was a plan decided between seasons, you all know that i dont believe that, but lets move on, and that was necessary in terms or large story. That many of you also know how i think and that is to let fan service work and confirm Cs until the end of the season as true love and for S4 show the relation development. About this CS i hope im wrong, but about the death and since they came confirm that the regular was MRJ, i think im not, and i must say that i would be very mad, and would tweet adam with some worlds that i cannot say here, if in the end they came and say, well Neal is gone but Bae is back.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I think the only way to avoid neal death, was destroy Pan in NVL,with no pan in sb, means no go back to EF, means no rumple sacrifice, means emma would meet neal at grannys,and other things. Because without Zelena, rumple would still be inside the vault , and neal would still wanted to go and bring his father back and would still try to find the key, we can say that without Zelena, they would have look for info about it and would know about life for life, but still adam and eddie can still say that neal would still go dark and would still open the vault and die, so no change in neal story, he would still be dead, although they wouldnt need the the name, but still.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
The question then is in what form? Here are some possibilities: a flashback, a ghost, or an AU. “Dead is dead,” but if time were to be reversed, as Phee suggested, that would mean Neal’s death would be undone. This would allow for sufficient closure. Neal would get to see his son. Rumple would be free to see Neal. Emma and Neal could even kiss and maybe TLK would do something magical. Why else have Belle confirm Emma and Neal had true love and yet they didn’t even kiss goodbye? Because that would be too “easy” to undoing Zelena’s curse and the season would’ve ended prematurley. Yet, like RG, I have a hunch if Neal were to return, it would be just for the finale. The way Neal’s death was so quickly executed seemed like MRJ did in fact want off the show, so MRJ returning for 3×22 might just be for a single episode.
If time is undone and he comes back, the heroes still have to somehow fix the undoing of time, meaning Neal dies all over again, unless the intent is to have them live in a changed timeline for the rest of the show.
I think thsi will depend on some things.
1st If they show this season Hook as Emma true love with right to a TLK.
2nd Will Zelena sucessed on this rewrite the past??
3rd If Zelena sucessed, will this be a arc solved until 322? Or will be the major story line next year, changing some things of the past, this way we would see scenes from S1, S2 and S3 from a diferent prepective, would explain MRJ is possible FB as recurring or guest star, would explain possible return to NVL, to see Hook and Pan deals, would explain august/pinochio again, would explain the fact that the writers pointed to next season where we could see more of emma and henry lives on NY, also of more about belle past, and other characters apearences, all as guests and recurring stars, also would explain the Knave, and not the others, bc some of the Wl never happened or still didnt happened and would explain if is true that Sean will not be made regular, bc on this Marion is still alive, so no RH as Regina true love, things unless they rewrite the story.
But once again depends mostly on the 2 first lines, if they will happen or not.
Also about the WoT theory, i have a friend that you know that is @Ozma, and she used to be like a hard core WOT fan, and used to be present on forums and stuff, and although she doesnt believe and doesnt want to have hope, she found some interesting things, that have many ouat connections, even the possible link between babys( aurora and snow). but i will tell you later at the chat, although already talked about with @Text.
Just one example, where the Dark one is trap is on a sort of vault. In there is where souls and shadows, will go, and where the patern is weak, also in the WoT world the description of the wheel of time or patern( destiny ). Bellow a line that describes it:
The Wheel of Time weaving the universe“The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and we are only the thread of the Pattern.”
—Moiraine Damodred
And who do we know that weaves? Rumple aka Dark one.
Also there are also 3 symbols that have similarities with OZ symbols.
Also there is a character name Blue, that represents the One Power.
Once again this is pure curiosity, bc i dont believe they go this way, or that they are smart enough, also dont want to have hope and i dont even know if i want to see MRJ coming back, in FB is to painful and there will be no storyline to used him in FB, in 322 i think that will hurt even more to see him saying goodbye to emma and henry again, and would make the fans ask to bring him as a ghost or spirit to guide henry, i think i dont want that. I guess i dont have hope that the show will get better, in fact i thing is only going down, from now on. Especially bc of they go with bringing everyone from dead except neal, they will need to explain things very well.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
And MRJ makes even more money as yet another episode goes by where he has to be listed in the credits, since he’s still a full time cast member, even though he won’t be appearing in the episode at all. I’m not gonna lie…..as much as that sucks to know (I’d rather him be ON my TV screen), I’d really enjoy that type of job right now, LOL #moneyfornothing
I dunno how TV contracts typically work. Like, I know Meghan was in the opening credits for the whole of S2 (just checked and she was still there in 222), but hers was a case of the character getting sidelined, not killed, and it was a development mid-season, so it’d make sense that they’d still pay her out as per contract because they screwed her over. But if Neal’s death was planned pre-season, is that a thing that would warrant altering MRJ’s contract if he’s already signed one for the full season previously? Or do contracts not get re-negotiated like that, so they were stuck with paying him a full season anyway?
I’m not 100% sure on this but I do remember when the House idiots wrote JMo off that show years ago, they still had to pay her for the season even though they wrote her off in early in season 6. Since ABC upped MRJ to series regular way before the start of S3, contractually they should have to pay him for the entire season no matter what unless they changed something in his contract halfway through which I wouldn’t put past the tools at ABC (though if the two trolls knew early that Neal wasn’t going to be around for the last part of S3, I don’t know why they would have upped him to series regular in the first place). It’s all a bit confusing and I’d rather think about him making money by being away from the train wreck that is becoming this show than to think about them actually going through with changing a contract that was probably signed last summer. #stupidisasstupiddoes #toolshed #ABCFail
yeah, that is a good thought, receive money and simply being on you house without doing much, unless they decided like after 304, bc on 306 there is that emma line to neal, about death, and was writen by the 2 trolls.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
And MRJ makes even more money as yet another episode goes by where he has to be listed in the credits, since he’s still a full time cast member, even though he won’t be appearing in the episode at all. I’m not gonna lie…..as much as that sucks to know (I’d rather him be ON my TV screen), I’d really enjoy that type of job right now, LOL #moneyfornothing
I dunno how TV contracts typically work. Like, I know Meghan was in the opening credits for the whole of S2 (just checked and she was still there in 222), but hers was a case of the character getting sidelined, not killed, and it was a development mid-season, so it’d make sense that they’d still pay her out as per contract because they screwed her over. But if Neal’s death was planned pre-season, is that a thing that would warrant altering MRJ’s contract if he’s already signed one for the full season previously? Or do contracts not get re-negotiated like that, so they were stuck with paying him a full season anyway?
Well can be that if they decided to do before season but to avoid spoilers they simply decided to make him a full year contract, especially because he wouldnt be able to look for anything else is like a compensation, but maybe Lisa knows the better about tv contracts.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
