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And once again, you’re bringing a ship into the conversation. I also never said it was no big deal, and to move along. I
No, i brought SF to the conversation, bc this is a SF thread, and people here are always blamed, by calling negative things on the show, bc “our ship didnt worked" that is why i said Sf fans and gave examples of other fans, to say that the fact we say was OOC , was not due to a ship, was due to a character trace that was set on S1, where Bae, was always against magic and in fact he even said that he would prefer to fight the OW and maybe die than having Rumple becaming the Dark one, that by the way, he did became when he killed Zozo, or whatever his name was, he didn´t went full dark, because of Bae.
Can you explain specifically how the timeline was wrong? Can you explain specifically a flashback before this episode where Bae was extremely against magic.
The timeline of the show, how is that Rumple served in the 2nd OW as a younger self and was in the 1st OW with Bae, as a 14 year old. And you can see all Rumple and bae epis/flashbacks in S1 and S2.
Also as a side note, I get that some people want a safe haven for this thread to express their annoyances with the SF dynamic, but you should also be willing to engage with others who have differing opinions. At times, people aren’t being very inclusive. Looking at you, Rainbow. Just because I had a different opinion than yours, you felt the need to call me out and put words in my mouth.
Also, i was giving my opinion, just like you were giving your, i didn´t call you out, i simply said was ok, to say yeah, "this was weird" not just about this Bae thing, but about other things that that the show has shown in the past and that we have posted here and call out the show for their mistakes, the other part about ” we should just move on and accept it" was general, not specific for you, bc is not the 1st time that we get people saying that "u dont have to say anything bad, you are only sad bc your ship didn´t worked out, so you can´t see all the positive things the show has, but the show has positive things,and that because is a show and we should just say node and say,is ok, we cannot give negative opinions about it”.
About the threads, there are individual character threads or at least there were in the past, one for each important characters, and i believe there is one for baelfire or Neal, or maybe is Nealfire, there is even one i think for Rumple and Bae relation, if i`m not mistaken, of course all depends if they they still exist, since people stopped using them long time ago, once people used to talk about the characters in their own threads during hiatus, but after, people left and others simply get tired of posting stuff.
[adrotate group="5"]"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
She looks really worried about Henry looking over him as he’s on the stretcher.
She looks more worried than rumple actually, of course can all be an act, ad she may be pretending to be good when she is ploting.
Side note, dont`t they have a Con somewhere in the next 2 or 3 weeks? maybe they will announce the show renew or not then, ot who signs for a new season at least.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Just saying it 1st, Black fairy is pretending to be archie, hurts Hnery and then sends him to his land for a ride and he appears old.
If im right about this i want virtual cookies, lot`s of them.
Also, there are people saying online that maybe this is for the musical, and Hnery is dreaming the musical, and they filming that scene today that they were also there for 620, but this was confirmed for 621 right?
But then again Adam said they would be filming scenes from several past episodes the next 2-3 weeks and were even filming in Stevenson more than than people thought.https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/844230382799142912
https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/844230938393419776
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
However they did have more viewers than OUAT.
And OUAT, held the 0.8, for a bit, their true ratings were according to somene saying online : 0.75, that 5 there was what gave them the .8, if was a 4, they would have 0.7.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
There are many things about it, is not that the dagger push Bae to do it, was the fact that bae is DEAD, they will not mention this again or explain it better, they should have stayed quiet, but they didnt why??? Because they needed to compare Bae and Gideon and im not even talking about Hook and doesn`t matter the theories the fans may have, they will not be explain it in the show.
Also, Rumple clearly says that fact darkened Bae soul, you dont have darkness in your soul and with a memory potion that darkness disapears, would mean that even with potion, he would still feel the apeal to be dark, which he wasnt, also they could they have shown the dagger push him even with a ghost zozo for example, yes, that could have be seen in the show, but actually making him decide not to give the dagger push and used it to make Rumple did what he did, that could have been done, not what they did.
And how the dagger works was never explained, and the persons that got the hands of it, were villains already, are you saying to me now that there are 2 identities that now besides the dark one inside his host, the dagger also has his own mind? because that was never explained or shown, that if you have the dagger you are suddenly push to do dark stuff, neither Belle on S4, or even Regina, that has already darkness inside her on S5, never was push to use it to make Emma do bad things.
Also, Bae as a kid was always against magic.
Also, @darkonederie, i get that you love the show and so is difficult for you to admit the show flaws, but there are flaws, and when even fans that dislike Neal say is OOC and was a retcon that says something about the episode, is not just us that liked Nealfire, there are also other fans that disliked that character saying the same thing and just because the show showed it, doesn`t mean that we have to go along with and say , oh no big deal, move along, and i have to say that besides this retcon, there were other bad things in this epi, from Timelines that were wrong, and so on, the message also for a show to see a kid using a dagger to ask someone to kill another person was bad, btw others messages they showed in this episode.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
IF this was another show, i would say the informations given by suposelly crew members to random paps was very odd and with very feeling of decoy, that would make people think was one person dying and then was another, but then i remember is ouat and at same time makes sense that the crew simply tells everyone everything.
And if they do manage to end the show this season, they may not kill anyone, juat make them all happy and the end.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Saw this on tumblr, i will post just the link bc of language, but mentions something we talked here.
Also, in one of the notes on the post says this:
“I was watching the afterbuzz video on YouTube and everyone even the Hook fan club said this Bae retcon was unnecessary and an insult to all the Bae/Neal fans”.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Ouch , so ouat droped from 0.8 to 07 in half hour, well maybe i`m wrong and they may get into 0.7 sooner than Easter, maybe next week, depending if people liked this episode or not, depends everything in the previous episode reaction, and if they do reach 0.7 next week, i may have to reconsider and say that they may get to 0.6 this season.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
radical extent on someone who was pure/good/light whatever.
Not only pure, but a child, it was a retcon, even people that disliked Bae/Neal said was a retcon for the character.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Also, i posted this on another thread and will post it here:
Also, let´s not forget that that in S5 they also said neal was on a quest to destroy magic.
This was a retcon to make other characters look good or like i saw online other people saying, to make him as bad as other characters, there is no arguments for that, this also destroyed the only storyline that was still good in the show, that was Rumple and Bae and by doing that, sort of make all their epis, look like trash.
Also, Neal actions in our world were made because of need, you steal to eat, because you have no food, if was self defense, like THEWAtcher said, but i also agree with her, but there is no past saying about just because you have the dagger you get corrupted by it, like Belle on S4 showed, the only way this cpuld work was with the villains and they were corrupted already and no, a memory potion makes you forget, but your values, your instincts are still there, in fact if the dagger had that power, means that would still be calling Bae when they were at home and it would make Bae kill Rumple and became the dark one, not using the dark one to kill someone else.
The only thing that could amend this, was them revealing Bae was not bae at all and only someone pretending to be him, like the black fairy, which by the way, they wont, but would love to know why she didn´t tried to take Bae instead on Gideon?
Also, are you telling me, that this Bae with a dark soul, is the one without unfinished business, that went straight to heaven, bc he was such good person?
So let´s admit and stop trying to find reasons, like i said before this was done to make other characters look better than him and to say that he totally deserved to die and he was not the hero people say he was, this was OOC, this was a RETCON, just like someone point out on tumblr, just like Snowing.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
