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May 10, 2016 at 8:02 am in reply to: THR 5/9 – OUAT Departing Star Isn't Happy With How His Story Ended #323357rainbow2Participant
I don’t think it’s coincidence that the two actors who have come out and aired their disappointment with how their characters were treated are Brits.
Let`s not forget Merida and Merlin actors that “accidentally” rt and faved tweets from fans that rant about the show.
Or Robert Carlyle that in any interview he gives throws shades at OUAT and the writers, like , he doesnt prepare Rumple anymore bc the writers change story at every episode, or how he didnt agree the Neal`s death, bc MRJ was a great actor that would bring quality to the show, etc.
About MRJ, well if we look for something on his last interview to Matt M, about OUAt, you can see a shades in disguised, as we can see in bold bellow, read that and see if that cant be applied to OUAT.
TVLINE | For starters, what drew you to this project?
It’s not a typical network show. It’s very serialized. It’s not a procedural. There are plenty of network shows that are serialized — I’ve been on them before, as you know — but the weight of the material here gives an actor so much room to make interesting choices. There’s a million ways to do any given scene, as opposed to, paint-by-numbers characters, storytelling. That was an immediate draw.TVLINE | I said in my column that I was surprised that back in Season 3 they didn’t play that triangle harder — have Emma torn between a storybook character and this “regular Joe” that she’d only known as a mortal. Is that something you would have been interested to explore?
To an extent. But generally speaking, love triangles aren’t necessarily what I get excited about. It can be a revelatory device to tell other stories, to see the way people respond in situations like that, how they deal with rejection or whatever….TVLINE | Once Upon a Time Neal ReturnsOn a lighter note, how did your “surprise” Once Upon a Time encore come about?
[The idea of returning] had been broached before, but with everyone’s schedules it’s hard to find windows. I’ve been working pretty consistently the last couple of years, so I didn’t have a lot of time. But when their 100th episode came up, I was finishing up Game of Silence and I did have a window that they were able to work around.Another proof that they really change ideas and plans, bc appears that they had plans to make Neal appear, without UW idea, but we will never know what plans were those, like we never know waht plans they had for Sean, or Will and so many other characters
TVLINE | For example, if scorned, Neal could be tempted to turn to his dad for an assist. He’s got the Dark One in his corner, so does he go down that route to “get the girl”?
The reality is we will never know. I have my thoughts on it — and I don’t think that that is Neal’s style. Neal devoted his life and his being to turning away from that. He’s somebody who could have lived with the pain of that rejection, if it were to come to that, without having to turn to the dark side. Instead he’d use it as a stepping-stone to grow. That’s my take on Neal.This last part, for me also reveals that MRJ didnt knew anything about Neal`s arc, like A&E said they talk with him, maybe bc they also dont have a file about each character and until they may go.
The question, is how they make this drastic changes in the story, since they say they plan the seaon ahead, how can this work? I said on another thread, if they had only one season per year of 13 episodes and film the episodes after having written all scripts, this could help the show, even if it meant to have ouat only on spring, and snother thing that would help ouat and avoid all this chnages, table reads, where all the actors would talk with the producers, directors and writers about the characters and how they should act on the scenes.
Like many of you said, the fact that are to many change storylines that are evident in the actual storyline, example, Dark swan, although i think the big issue there was the fact that Colin decided to do a movie while filming the show, so they had to make him disapear, that way making DS story about hook, to free Colin so UW would make him more free, but of course there are other stories, also in one of the interviews Sean said that, when A&E find out they had another season, they decided to chnage stories, so does this means that they thought S5 would be the last, well that would be fitting, Dark emma being the last season, they even said bf the season start that Dark swan would be a full season thing and could not end in 1st arc like everyone thought.
In the end so many stories that were changed for other stuff and that we will never know and if we do end seeing them again, will not fit on the greater story, bc this forward and then going back, then forward again is a big mess, and i say they may have had a camp on s2 to talk about the season, but they probably dont do it anymore.
Hope Sean, Michael S., MRJ, go to bigger things, i mean MRj is already showing his acting skills, but since GoS will likely be cancelled hope that he finds other things.[adrotate group="5"]rainbow2ParticipantIm confuse, Sean said that Robin kids are orphans that both mom and dad are dead, what??? But the baby has zelena, right? dont tell me they will kill her also on the season finale?, i think there was a pic Bex posted where zelena appears to be on the floor in a strange position,but than that would be the most stupid thing.
rainbow2ParticipantI’ve no idea anymore. I think Rumple’s devolution into a villain with the complexity of Skeletor
HAHAHHA.
S7: He-Man and She-Ra take on Rumple “Skeltor” and Belle “Evil-Lyn”
I mean have they seen the place? Doesn’t anyone else find it mildly ridiculous that we have a parade of ultra-powerful villains with untold magical powers fighting over a little suburban Podunk (no offense to Steveston, it seems like a perfectly charming place, but…)
A Podunk with NO ONE IN IT. Seriously, that town is a ghost town except for the CharMillStiltskins and their “friends”
And now according to spoilers Rumple may stay behind in NY, if we dont find out he was put inside the pandora box or something, so if he stays in NY, he is getting update to a big city, LOL.
rainbow2ParticipantTake it back! Penny Dreadful is one of the best things I’ve ever seen with heart, meaning, and development and real understanding of mythology and how to insert it organically into their story lines.
I agree. Just find it very odd how both shows are doing those specific things at the same time.
The same happens with OUAT and The Librarians,except for the fact that the last does better in 10 episodes than OUAT in 23. Next seaon of librarians will be about magic vs no magic world.
rainbow2Participantwho was paying the bills though.
Problaby Hook, since hook is a saint and everything is about Hook. *rolls eyes*
Also laughing now, that they may have used Neals credit card to pay stuff and got Neals some debts and he is dead, only in this show, see Emmas house would have fit more while Neal`s raise to much questions, and again, they said Neal story was over* rolls eyes even more*
rainbow2ParticipantLet Rumple tell it back in 4×17…he didn’t want anything that belonged to “Neal”.
Still, Robin had no right to change anything in the house or even with Rumple saying that, he should have said it i will keep it, especially bc most of the stuff there is still from neal, so what type of stuff he even had on that box? Of course that this week, his things may still be there, bc more retcon, which would fit with Hnery going there and Neals stuff be there, who knows maybe is henrys computer and emma is seeing where henry is, checking his internet history. But this show has several questions with that apartment,no one knows how the apartment is still there and who pays the bills of that place? Im starting to wonder that neal actually bought it, but still other bills to pay, who pays them? more pointless questions that will never be answer, they should simply do a book with the things they dont answer on the show.
rainbow2ParticipantPosting here, something i post in another thread, so Neals apartment in NY will appear, why the apartment is still there is a mistery, bc yeah, that is still neals apartment, who is paying for it? never mind i know, my questions are pointless and also the decoration changed a bit since 417, may be a thing, the apartment now decorates itself, bc where is the dreamcather that was still on the window on 417 and since no one took it, should still be there. Also from who is that computer on the pics? hope is emma, bc if they going to say is Neal, i may be pissed, bc really why Gold doesnt have the keys? is his sons apartment, Regina and Emma shouldnt be able to enter there when they want like the house was theirs, like robin didnt had the right to change anything in a house that was not his or drop neal´s stuff to the garbage and why didnt he took robin left his stuff on the apartment? hope they dont go saying was Robins house. I dont like Emma and Regina on Neals house at all, with Neal dead Rumple should be the owner of the house, really doesnt emma has one apartment in Ny? why she has to go to neals house?
rainbow2ParticipantWhere exactly are they? Robin Hood’s apartment? Why was Roland living in the woods?
Nope, Neals apartment in NY, why the apartment is still there is a mistery, bc yeah, that is still neals apartment, who is paying for it? never mind i know, my questions are pointless and also the decoration changed a bit since 417, may be a thing, the apartment now decorates itself, bc where is the dreamacther that was still on the window on 417 and since no one took it, should still be there. Also from who is that computer? hope is emma, bc if they going to say is Neal, i may roll my eyes even more, bc really why Gold doesnt have the keys? is his sons apartment, Regina and Emma shouldnt be able to enter there when they want like the house was their and why didnt Robin stook his stuff to SB on 417 and still left stuff on the apartment? i dont like Emma and Regina on Neals house at all, with Neal dead Rumple should be the owner of the house, really doesnt emma has one apartment in Ny? why she has to go to neals house?
rainbow2ParticipantSo Sean didn’t know until January? Anyone wanna place bets that it’s the same deal with MRJ two years ago? The writers didn’t know they were gonna kill Neal until the end of S3A and didn’t tell the actor until they started writing 3B.
Yeah, i can place a time on that for MRJ, october 2013, the time that a certain ship got a people choice award for best chemistry, that was around the time they were filming 310, also there was some anon on tumblr, that said they worked for the show. and said after 311 aired that the script for epi 311 had to be changed last minute bc the character that was supposed to die by killing Pan would be Hook, in a nod to Peter pan story, and we know that by having Rumple killing pan, that was what made Neal try to bring him back and dying.
Also, January, uhmm, the same month that Sean posted pics of MRJ in vancouver??? Was this revenge? or he found out after he posted those pics?
Also, 2 week before GoS premiere, on the same day The Catch premiered, Sean tweeted during the Catch time, for people to see GoS bc the show would be great, uhmmm, more than a simple support, when no one else from the cast mentioned GoS, you may say is conspiracy, but i actually see a pattern.
Another thing, they say that Sean is no longer a series regular, so this is even different from MRJ, since he was series regular until the last episode, which now makes me think Sean had only one season contract and MRJ had more seasons, which were paied with a certain miniseries in a channel own by ABc and on a Disney movie. Wonder now if Sean`s next projects may be with ABC and Disney.
May 9, 2016 at 4:56 pm in reply to: THR 5/9 – OUAT Departing Star Isn't Happy With How His Story Ended #323260rainbow2ParticipantAfter all these interviews, after the lgbt couple was revealed, i say that Jamie Chung tweet was about OUAT, was probably when she got the script. Except that Jamie and MRJ wont come to spill what really happened even tho Matt tried on the last interview and in some answers MRJ did send some shade about OUAT.
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