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Wow… sneak peeks are coming like crazy now! Thanks you guys!
First thoughts — Way to go, Emma! Someone needs to talk sense to this boy. Tamara has Neal’s head so turned around he doesn’t know which way is up! I bet that wasn’t a close call with Hook. I’m betting one of those bags winds up “extra heavy” with a stab-happy stowaway! 😆
[adrotate group="5"]@Kpercyman wrote:
Someone last week made a comment about how Snow killed all those people in battle, how is this different? I tend to agree. Cora was a casualty of war. You could compare her destruction to that of Hitler. Snow needs to see it from that point of view, which goes back to Rumples original comment.
I agree… Cora had to die or everyone else would have, probably including Regina. When Neal gave her the choice in the shop, Regina or the dagger, Cora went for the dagger. However, I think Snow’s biggest issue is not with Cora dying, it was deceiving Regina into causing it. She may have felt bad for a while over killing Cora directly, say in hand to hand combat or whatever, but getting Regina to do the dirty work was a trick worthy of Cora herself. Instead of murder making you as dark as the one you kill, I think you have to BE as dark as the one you INTEND to kill.
Wow… I’m so impressed with this episode. I agree with everyone, Lana and Ginny were awesome! If there were just some way to remind Regina how miserable she was after casting the curse, maybe she’d give up on this and see that she’s only going in circles. In certain ways, Regina is still living the curse, repeating the actions that bring her pain.
My favorite other moment was Neal and Emma in the diner.
Neal: “Not bad for my third day being a father.”
Emma: “You FELL for that?! He’s YOUR son.”Much needed comic relief. Neal is shaping up to be the new Charming…. 😆
Second favorite moment: Snow asking Rumple how he lives with himself and him replying that he tells himself he’s doing the right thing. Rumple DOES have a conscience, but he puts that aside for an “ends justify the means” existence.
I don’t really have any least favorite moments, but definitely things that still need to be answered: 1. at what point do Emma and Neal have the discussion about Henry being adopted and 2. what happened to Owen’s dad?
@HeatherC1275 wrote:
I would really like to see some answers because I’m still ready to turn August into kindling for his part in everything. 😉
You and me both! 😎
@LisaS wrote:
I think you’re right we are going to get some answers in episode 2×18. I think August may have known that Emma was pregnant when he met up with Neal in Vancouver because he was awful determined to make sure that Neal wouldn’t try to find which facility Emma was in. I’m inclined to think that August may have had a hand whoever persuaded Emma to put Henry up for adoption & then made sure Emma’s son was adopted by someone in Storybrooke. I think had Neal found out about Emma’s pregnancy he would never have left her and would have wanted them to be a family.
Neal/Bae just strikes me as the type of person who wouldn’t just abandon the woman he loves or his child based on what he went through himself as a child.How Henry got to Storybrooke has always been one of my biggest unanswered questions. There HAD to be someone on the outside to help arrange things because didn’t Mr. Gold say in “Tiny” that he’d never been outside of Storybrooke, or was it just that he had never been on a plane? Either way, someone had to bring Baby Henry to town and it had to be someone In The Know about who he was and who Emma was, because Gold never got his memories until after Emma came to town and Regina didn’t know that Emma was the Savior right away either. August and Gold never dealt with one another directly, since Gold didn’t recognize him in “Return,” (or did he?) but August didn’t exactly deal with Emma directly when he sent Neal packing either…
I’ve heard there are deleted scenes with August adding on to Henry’s book that are staged at Jefferson’s house, and scenes between the two of them. I’ve tried searching online but can’t find them. Maybe those two were the connection? ❓
Sorry, morning coffee not working yet…
Ah, good point about him letting her go to jail. 🙂
I guess its just always been my head canon that August either made the call or convinced Neal to do it, considering how callous he seemed about her going to jail and how upset Neal was at the end. I’m hoping SBT will show something to clear that up, because August has a lot to answer for…
I’m not sure if this is the right place to post this since the conversation seems to have taken a turn, but I noticed something when I re-watched episodes from season 1. In the pilot, Regina reminds Emma that it was a closed adoption and that she wanted no contact, but when Emma is talking to Ashely/Cinderella later on, Emma makes a big speech about how everyone thinks they can tell you what to do when there’s a baby involved. What if Emma didn’t exactly want to give Henry up for adoption, but was convinced it was for his best benefit and then decided giving him up was a “closed door”? Isn’t that essentially the same choice Neal was forced to make in Tallahassee, with the same consequences?
To me, the show is all about parallels and perception. From Emma’s POV she was abandoned, and Henry could easily have viewed the adoption the same way, even though he says he forgave her. If we see Neal’s actions as a parallel to Emma’s, does that win him any more sympathy?
(Love the name, KFChimera, too, btw…lol)
If Neal actually IS Peter Pan though, I think a lot of his behavior could be explained by that. The jealousy and bad decisions are marks of immaturity. I think he feels bad for what happened and still loves Emma, but at the same time I don’t think he has the emotional maturity to open up and reverts to being semi-flirtatious and sarcastic to cover it. When he can’t cover his emotions, you can see the difference. One of the moments I’m thinking of is when Rumple is trying to apologize as he’s dying and Neal responds “But I’m still angry.” His voice there just sounds so childlike and “small” but the situation won’t let him revert to his normal sarcasm. Neal is going to have to do a lot of emotional “growing up”.
Please forgive me if this has already been said, but I’ve been looking at some info on the White Rabbit. I hate to copy and paste from Wikipedia, but here it is. Lewis Carroll meant the WR as a contrast to Alice, “For her ‘youth,’ ‘audacity,’ ‘vigour,’ and ‘swift directness of purpose,’ read ‘elderly,’ ‘timid,’ ‘feeble,’ and ‘nervously shilly-shallying,’ and you will get something of what I meant him (the WR) to be.” It doesn’t quite fit, but Neal is older, and definitely I think somewhat nervous compared to Emma — he WAS on the run from Rumple, after all. The fact that he stole watches also seems to play in as well as the world-jumping because it was the Rabbit that Alice followed down the hole.
Now here’s the kicker, and I wonder what you all will make of it — in the book, the White Rabbit was a herald/servant for the Queen of Hearts…
I’m pretty sure the writers may be taking their cue from the graphic novel _Fables_ — in the novel, Pinocchio is stuck as a permanent adolescent and there’s some comment in the story about him wanting to grow up and get through puberty. (_Fables_ is published by DC comics, but the rights to produce a series were bought out by ABC before ABC was bought out by Disney/Marvel. Once is based on the idea, even though the corporate heads stalled production on _Fables_ is by their competition.) The GN is hilarious if you’ve not read it. Once would almost have to give Pinocchio a memory wipe to make this work — there’s no way all that “adult” knowledge, in the sense of being a grown up as well as knowledge of his past actions, would work without giving boy-Pinocchio some major mental issues…
