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Credits @ https://t.co/NsZg2h3Q3h – judymulder#RobertCarlyle #THEC #OnceUponaTime #Paris pic.twitter.com/wW646YoGTn
— RobertCarlyleItalia (@R_CarlyleFan) June 17, 2017
Credits @ https://t.co/25g08ZpeXQ – salty-rumbelle#RobertCarlyle #OnceUponaTime #THEC #Paris pic.twitter.com/2NWkGFeGGD
— RobertCarlyleItalia (@R_CarlyleFan) June 17, 2017
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.@robertcarlyle_ et @MRaymondJames sont sur scène #OUAT #THEC pic.twitter.com/3EGH7yp4IU
— Roster Con (@RosterCon) June 17, 2017
Bobbie and Micheal Panel #THEC was later getting here sorry!!🙈 (credit if used please) pic.twitter.com/ICIBZ4L3VL
— Just flung out of space💜 (@Queen_AmyXo) June 17, 2017
#THEC MRJ doesn't think Neal was trying to convince Emma from saving Hook but to keep her safe from her dangerous journey
— ⌜ ⓈⓄⒶ ⌟ (@tetedepasteque) June 17, 2017
#thec Robert's fav scene is when Rumple and Neal meet again on Neverland
— Mel (@trashformaw) June 17, 2017
Michaels fave is when Neil confronts Rumple in New York one of his favourite scenes ever in his career #THEC
— Just flung out of space💜 (@Queen_AmyXo) June 17, 2017
#THEC Robert's hardest scene is letting Baelfire go through the portal (lots of wind & emotions)
— ⌜ ⓈⓄⒶ ⌟ (@tetedepasteque) June 17, 2017
#thec To play wt Robert was the biggest accomplishment of MRJ's career
— Mel (@trashformaw) June 17, 2017
Omg Michael 😭😭😭 he got emotional and Bobby hugged him everyone clapped #THEC
— e ⎊ 🇨🇦🇬🇧 (@way2distracted) June 17, 2017
#THEC MRJ thinks if Neal were still alive he would teach his son some life lessons
— ⌜ ⓈⓄⒶ ⌟ (@tetedepasteque) June 17, 2017
RT @_Shadowhunter_ :#THEC Robert was a Bit shy and moved to the side…#RobertCarlyle #MichaelRaymondJames pic.twitter.com/m4CHLGxQZj
— RobertCarlyleItalia (@R_CarlyleFan) June 17, 2017
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"*please let the fandom be sane. Please let the fandom be sane. Please let the fandom be sane*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I was so sad to see Our Decay go last round. RIP Zades
While it’s not in my top 20, I did enjoy that crazy episode with those crazy kids. I’ll agree about being sorry to see it go quickly.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"https://www.instagram.com/p/BVXwWWfBAFu/
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"1×10 “Night”
–This was one of the best episodes of the season, IMO. I cried through several scenes, not gonna lie.
–When June saw Hannah and was all but clawing her way out of the car followed by her spewing vitriol at Serena Joy was incredibly powerful. Elisabeth Moss deserves all sorts of awards for her work this year.
–Equally powerful, June and the other Handmaids refusing to stone Jeanine.
–“You’re on my list.” “List of family?” “Yeah, of course.” I think the Moira scenes did a great job of showing how even open countries can treat refugees poorly, a different kind of poorly. Like they aren’t people who have crossed through war and almost literal hell to come out of the other side. It’s just give some food, give some water, some clothes, a few bucks, a few things to get you started and then out the door into this brave new world you go. It’s a different kind of dehumanization, I suppose.
–So the maximum punishment for a man who sinner is amputation but for a woman it’s getting stoned to death by her peers? Yeah, praise be to Gilead.
–“You’re the worse shopping partner ever.” “Shut up.” You shut up.”
–I’m interested to see where the show goes from here but I’m also incredibly hesitant. This is where the book ends, apart from the epilogue that I keep talking about. June escapes or at least is taken away and we lose her from there. All that’s left are her voice recordings but we have no idea if she found Luke, Hannah, or even if she managed to evade recapture forever. In other words, S2 and beyond (if there’s a beyond S2) is going to be totally uncharted territory and that makes me nervous.
I just don’t get Serena at all. Here she wrote books. She even wrote some of these laws. But now she can’t read or be involved and is upset about it, so why? Why is so so angry at June when this is a situation of her own creation
Well, I don’t get Serena Joy either but it’s the same way I don’t get women that she’s modeled after–like Ann Coutler or Tomi Lahren. They actively voice a regression in culture, not just conservatism but regression, but the only way they are able to do that is by working within the progressive system that allows them voice in the first place. This situation is of her own creation but I think we have to think in human terms here….Serena is a woman who is coming to understand that the world she advocated for doesn’t work. It’s a bad world. It’s bad for her, her marriage, her fellow women, everyone except her husband and if the Putnam’s are the other side of the coin here, it’s not like it’s all sunshine and daises for the husbands either. I think that sort of awakening, that the world you believed in, fought for, advocated for, murdered for, and gave up your identity and agency for is ultimately not working and bad would devastate anyone and make them act the way Serena is. She can be a conservatively religious, uphold a very strict interpretation of the Bible and God’s law, believe in the sacrality of marriage, of a woman’s place as wife and mother, and still be troubled by instances of wrongness in her world. She’s a foil for June. If June rebels and fights back against the wrongness of this world, Serena digs in her heels, turns a blind eye and trys to remake the world once again until it suits her. She does this by trying to mold everyone around her, curtail their behavior until it pleases her (hence taking June to see Hannah and laying into Fred with hard truths like the baby not being his)
’It seem like they did grow up in the cult.
But it’s not a cult, not in the way you seem to use that word. This wasn’t 100 guys in the woods who stock piled weapons and then managed to overthrow the USA. This isn’t Waco or Jonestown. This isn’t a small select group; these people were legion. Cult is a loaded term because of the connotations that come with it, mainly the things like Waco and Jonestown with one charismatic leader and a small group of followers who isolate themselves from the world. We have a hard time, then, imagining a multitude of believers who work and live along side us as a “cult” because that word has come to mean one thing and only one thing.
But that’s not what happened with Serena and Fred. They lived in the world, they were part of the world. Fred is military, Serena was a public figure. They owned a big house, they wanted children, they were not subject to one leader who made demands of them or forced them to do anything. I think you have to stop thinking of them in terms of cult. It’s not a cult….it’s the religious right.
They are everywhere. They exist in the real world in that silent majority. People who see the way the world is headed–toward progressive reform with regards to women, LGBT+, PoC, refugees, non-Christians–and they think it’s wrong. That it’s not God’s way and that their way of life is better and, moreover, is what God would want. We instances of this almost every day on the news–radical conservatives and people who push for regressive reforms who use violence and threats as part of their rhetoric but still go home to suburbia and work a 9-5.
We keep talking a lot about the reality of this world and whether or not it could actually exist here in the US. Do I think that I’ll wake up tomorrow and be carted off to a Red Center? No certainly not. But do I think that the ground work for something like that–100, 200 years down the road–is being laid down? Yes. From rolling back healthcare so that millions lose their coverage, to the healthcare reforms to make rape a preexisting condition, to the constant attempt to defund Planned Parenthood ensuring that millions of women lose access to premium health services including against gynecological diseases, to the multitude of environmental concerns like rolling back regulations against toxic dumping all in the name of profit and business, lead in the water (Flint, Michigan), pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, to cultural happenings like the constant stream of sexual harassment in the workforce, the casual misogyny of interrupting a woman when she’s speaking (Senator Kimala Harris, Elizabeth Warren “nevertheless she persisted”) or making jokes at her expense (even as she lectures you about such things *cough Uber and Arianna Huffington cough*), refusing to destroy racist or misogynistic symbols because “history” and “our traditions” (the Confederate flag).
I suppose you could make the argument that the show shouldn’t have set themselves in modern times, like being in 2017. That it should have warped us into the future a bit (something Atwood’s novel does casting it into the near future).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love". I’m very sorry to see several of these episodes go, in particular The Shepard and The Apprentice.
ETA: The Shepard is a perfectly fine S1 episode but it’s one of the weaker ones, for me. But still much better than anything that came more recently.
I really disliked the Apprentice, a lot.
. I’m also very surprised to see “Red Handed” go already.
I think it’s in my top 30 but S1 and 2 (and 3A) just have so many strong episodes that Ruby’s episode keeps dropping when I compare it others. HOwever, I do love it to pieces.
What predictions do you have for the next round’s results?
Anything left over from 5A is gone. I think there’s a majority of the fandom that loathed that arc, no matter where you stand with regards to characters and shipping.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"2×19 – Lacey
Nooooooo
I still can’t believe the final three episodes of the last season are still in. At least there are only a few from the last three seasons left and around ten from the other three.
I’m less surprised about the musical than I am about the final two episodes. The second half of the Final Battle was decent enough, but the first half was filler. However, I think there episodes in S1-3A that are miles above the Final Battle part 2
The Round 4 Poll is now Live!! IMPORTANT: VOTE ONLY FOR YOUR TOP 15 EPISODES THIS TIME.
Ouch this got rough all of a sudden. Voted, though!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"1×9 “The Bridge”
That one was particularly hard to watch though I’m having trouble putting my finger on exactly why. Maybe it’s because all the allusions of care are dropping away and it’s now just a series of power plays where our heroine seems doomed to fail because of the world she lives in. We see this in both Putnam/Jeanine and Fred/Offred.
Obviously Commander Waterford is loathsome but there’s something particularly galling in him this episode as he lets Offred believe she’s gotten a slight upper hand in “manipulating” Fred into another round of Jezebels. It’s a lot like what @nevermore has been saying about Fred and him getting off on power plays and demanding that Offred be grateful for these little gifts he bestows on her. Not only does Fred reunite Offred with Moira but he lets Offred believe she’s “won” at this little game they are currently playing. We saw all this when it was still just Scrabble in his office. Back and forth, one letting the other win in order to establish dominance and servitude but always knowing that there were different levels to the game. Fred’s whole “I did something nice for you. ‘Thank you, Fred'” followed by the instant “thank yous” by Offred and Moira were stomach turning. Though, particular shout out to Elisabeth Moss once again for her work here. The way her voice instantly changed to sugary sweet, high pitched, perfectly “feminine” was good. I doubt any of us believed the Commander truly cared for Offred but surely any lingering doubts are totally done away with now. She’s property, she’s a thing. A toy, a doll, a womb, not even remotely a person. It suits Fred to let Offred think she’s winning at something but only because it makes him feel superior.
Then we come to Putnam and Jeanine where we see that at least two of the Commanders are in the same boat of not exactly abiding by those religious creeds they fought for before the war. The word psyhcoapth has been bandied about in this thread in regards to Waterford but I don’t think that’s quite right. Not in the medical sense of having an actual mental illness that could be tempered with medicine or round of therapy. What we’re looking at is heterosexual male privilege on proud display. It’s cultural based on psychologically based (though, I will agree that there’s a fine line since cultural learnings play a heavy role in the psychological makeup of a person). But these men, through the culture they lived in, taught them that they were special, important, and most importantly right–winning the war only served to bolster those assumptions. Before the war, they were the silent majority (a term also bandied about a lot in the past year and half in our very real world). They felt ostracized by everyone they saw as “other”–women, LGBT groups, the liberals, the religious left I suppose. Men like Waterford and Putnam believed their way was the best way, or more specifically the right way. Now that they’ve won and their assumptions and beliefs about themselves have been verified, then there is no doubt that their actions–whether they are antithetical to their religious beliefs or not–are simply right. It’s fine for Putnam to make demands on Jeanine for sexual favors that his wife wouldn’t do. Not just fine, but right. He owns her, does he not? If he uses sweet little lies about love and family, who cares? Just like it’s fine and right for Waterford to use June as he sees fit. Putnam doesn’t give a rats behind about Jeanine; she was just something to give him pleasure when he couldn’t get it elsewhere.
“Men don’t change” says Mrs Putnam and there are about 1000 takeaways from Atwood’s book but this has got to be one of them. If you’re looking for real world parallels between The Handmaid’s Tale and our world, this is it. This is the biggest one. This TV show/book might be a hyper reality of what happens when heterosexual male privilege is given free reign but for me the parallels between this world and political figures, businessmen (Trump and the CEO of Uber currently come to mine) are aplenty.
And yes, I will pause here because #notallmen to be sure. But I think that’s another takeaway from this TV show at least. Luke isn’t Waterford but he was still a beneficiary of heterosexual privilege even if he’s not an active participant in the toxicity. For example he didn’t have to give up his bank account or his job. There are some moments in the book (and maybe they’ve shown them in the TV show and I’ve forgotten about them?) where June flashes back to her life pre-Handmaid and Luke is telling her that he’ll take care of her, that it’s still there money even though it now all legally belongs to him. It’s not institutionalized rape but still has a certain misogynistic flavor to it. “Yes, what happened to you sucks, but we’ll be here to take care of you!” Men like Luke (or even Nick or the hundreds of nameless men we see wandering Gilead as soldiers, butchers, shop keepers) are still privileged. That’s why it was nice to see that the way Moira got the message to June was through a man who’s working to take down men like Waterford.
Misc notes
–Brava to the actress who plays Jeanine. The bridge scene was gripping.
–Aunt Lydia: much more sympathetic figure than I thought they’d do with her? She seems honestly concerned by Jeanine’s jump/downfall but this is the same woman who ordered Emily to be mutilated. Is it just because Jeanine did her duty and became a mother?
–In the book we don’t see Moira after the first Jezebel encounter but it seems like the show is going to give her her own storyline. Thoughts?
–How will Serena Joy react to learning that Fred has been seeing June on the side (that’s a gross way to put it, I know)
–Speaking of, Rita and Serena Joy’s late night encounter in the kitchen. Rita was a mother but became a Martha instead of a Handmaid. That’s puzzling. Is it because she’s older than Offred? She’s no longer deemed fertile perhaps. Also, the way Serena Joy turns on the religious babble when she hears Rita lost her son in the war made my stomach flip. Ugh to her.
–Hopefully back with notes on the season finale soon!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Any predictions for this round from anyone?
I think we’ll lose a lot of S5 and S6 episodes.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
