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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So maybe it’ll either be an even split with a hiatus from December-March like the past few Seasons,
This is my prediction. They seem to like this format more
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"That was the TV line mystery about a show that ABC was trying to kill and put it on it’s fall schedule in a place where they just want it to die. People thought it was Still-Star-Crossed but it’s clearly Inhumans. Lead in from OUAT, clearly they’re not predicting that to be successful.
I don’t think TVLine has confirmed that? At least not to my knowledge. Not saying you’re wrong but TVLine hasn’t said yet to my knowledge. Also, SSC isn’t exactly getting a prime spot. It’s getting burned off during the summer, when TV ratings are reallllly down.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I believe @rainbow means that shipping was not the main focus of S1—and it was not. Rumbelle got one episode and Belle stayed neatly tucked away for most of the season, Rumple’s story being more about the mystery of his son and his entanglement with Regina, Snow, and Emma. Snowing was definitely the major ship of S1 but it was written into the DNA of the show and the main premise.
Having ships = / = the show being about the ships. The focus largely shifted to focus on the romantic relationships after S3A.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And it’s unclear whether the commander is giving them to her because that’s literally what he thinks she’s intellectually capable of, or because it’s this subtle form of psychological torture because they index a different life.
I don’t think it’s the former. I think Fred knows that June has some measure of intelligence. Yes, she’s not on *his* level but no one is in his mind. But she’s clearly not dumb as proved by their sessions of Scrabble and I get the feeling that the Commander knows June knows this is a game. He’s priding himself on letting her play, think that she’s getting somewhere (even if it’s just realizing it’s all a game) only for him to always have the upper hand. She’s never had the upper hand or even been close. So, yeah, psychological torture.
If the Commander treas anyone as intellectually inferior, I think it’s Serena Joy. He feeds her tiny tidbits of information of the outside world–his world–only because they’re married and I think that’s part of the unwritten code in this world (in the perfect world they envisioned, not the one that is actually in effect) but the moment she starts to have ideas, he shuts her down and walks out.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The only reason LMS was successful on Fridays was because it was aimed at a demographic of people that do stay at home on Friday nights. Hardcore republican southern bigots. OUAT aimed at families, families are not sitting around on the TV on a friday night.
This is a really broad generalization. First, LMS isn’t the only show on Friday’s. Grimm did really well for NBC for a few years on Friday. It was the only stable show they had on Friday’s actually. I actually think ABC is using that as a forerunner since they are launching Friday’s as their “science fiction and magic night” or something. It’s what NBC did for a few years between Grimm, Hannibal, Dracula, and Constantine. If your idea that ABC’s Friday’s were aimed at a specific audience, then ABC is changing that to try and aim at another audience. Will be wildly successful, no it won’t. Not wildly. But I–and neither do you–know how ABC is defining success for OUAT S7. They might be quite thrilled with .6’s if Netflix keeps giving them cash. We don’t know.
And second, I’ll use myself as an example: not southern, the farthest thing from a hardcore Republican possible, not a bigot, and all my Friday’s are spent around the TV watching Grimm, Sleepy Hollow and when it was on, Emerald City. I watched with my mother and a collective group of best friends who are a lot like me. Maybe you’ll say I’m the exception that proves the rule but then there are a lot of exceptions. At some point it stops being a rule.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Didn’t get a chance to update this yet!
Season One Premiere Ratings : 4.0 (“The Pilot”)
Season One Finale Ratings: 3.3 (“A Land Without Magic”)
Season Two Premiere Ratings: 3.9 (“Broken”)
Season Two Final Ratings: 2.3 (“…And Straight On ‘Till Morning”)
Season Three-A Premiere Ratings: 2.6 (“The Heart Of The Truest Believer”)
Season Three-A Finale Ratings: 1.9 (“Going Home”)
Season Three-B Premiere Ratings: 2.4 (“New York City Serenade”)
Season Three-B Finale Ratings : 2.3 (“Snow Drifts”/”There’s No Place Like Home”)
Season Four-A Premiere Ratings: 3.5 (“A Tale Of Two Sisters”)
Season Four-A Finale Ratings: 1.7 (“Heroes and Villains”)
Season Four-B Premiere Ratings: 2.2 (“Darkness On The Edge Of Town”)
Season Four-B Finale Ratings: 1.8 (“Operation Mongoose Part 1 and Part 2”)
Season Five-A Premiere Ratings: 1.8 (“The Dark Swan”)
Season Five-A Finale Ratings: 1.3 (“Swan Song”)
Season Five-B Premiere Ratings: 1.3 (“Souls of the Departed”)
Season Five-B Finale Ratings 1.2 (“Only You/ An Untold Story”)
Season 6-A Premiere Ratings: 1.3 (“The Savior”)
Season 6-A Finale Ratings: .9 (“Wish You Were Here”)
Season 6-B Premiere Ratings: .9 (“Tougher Than The Rest”)
Season 6-B Finale Ratings: .9 (“The Final Battle part 1 and 2”)
I think the big story here is that while we did drop to a new series low (.7) we actually ended the same way we began. It likely has to do with people coming to say goodbye to several cast members and because the finale almost always rises from the previous week.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"OUAT ratings NEVER increase. The only time it did was because of the Frozen frenzy. Every year it consistently drops . It will not stay at a 0.9-0.7 range all season, that is completely unrealistic. Especially cause that was the ratings range this season.
Given that I monitor the ratings like a hawk every year for 6 years, yes I do. But I’m not going to discount 1) the possibility and 2) the fact that Friday is such a weird day in general for TV that even something I might think is too low (.6) might be okay for ABC given the other facts that @ry4christ points out (Netflix is the biggest one. That seems to be quite a big factor)
OUAT ratings NEVER increase
And this isn’t true either. They bounce. They’ve dipped to a .7 and then rebounded, and then dropped by one, and then rebounded for a finale. Do I think it’s possible it’ll do the same next year? Sure. Do I think it’ll go a bit lower (.6) and then keep moving up and down like a yo-yo? Yes. Because that’s what happens every year.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"– With the show moving to Friday’s the ratings threshold for cancellation is lower now.
Just to get TVGrim Reaper’s word on this:
For panicked fans of “headed to Friday” shows, Fri ratings of up to 30% lower than other nights seem “good enough” for broadcast nets.
— TV Grim Reaper (@TVGrimReaper) May 16, 2017
If OUAT keeps pulling between .7-.9, then S8 is actually not entirely crazy.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The thing that stood out to me is the different ages of the two wives. Steven’s Wife seems post-reproductive, in a way that hints at a shift in the stakes of sexuality, or the nature of what intimacy looks like, not only for her but possibly for her husband. This is the first time we get a sense that at least some of this social elite of Commanders and Wives also feel trapped by the rituals of their self-imposed reproductive imperative.
It’s been awhile since I read the book but the age factor you bring up is a good point. I can’t remember if there’s a cut off for families to receive a Handmaid or not (the fact that older parents aren’t around long enough to raise a child to maturity).
There was something about his insistence on intimacy that felt like itself a form of violation — or a breach of agreement — only made worse by that final confrontation in his office. It’s like suddenly the blinders are off, and right, this man does not see Ofglen as fully human, and yet demands a connection from her.
Yes. June’s not a person or human. She’s an object there for his pleasure and it pleases him to have her play Scrabble and smile and joke and be grateful for magazines. And it pleases him to think that she welcomes his touches during the Ceremony. But it has nothing to do with her actual tangible happiness.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
