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Gosh are out as regulars. https://twitter.com/ginnyftjosh/status/846855888090607617/photo/1
I was going to make a thread for this…but I think I’ll wait until we get something a little more official, like from A and E, one of the mags, or Gosh themselves
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Sure we saw him help Belle and save her life. Which apparently I’m the only one on here that gives him props for that.
well….let’s look at the tape, shall we?
(all from the Fav/Least Fav thread for 6×02)
Well, we’ve demanded an apology from Hook about all the horrors he’s inflicted on Belle over the years and we finally got one–and one that was free of snark and ego. Good for him. I am pleasantly surprised by this.
Hook acknowledging and being remorseful about what he did to Belle! A step in the right direction!
I didn’t hate Hook. For the first time in, like, ever. He actually apologized to Belle, and was a decent, level-headed human. He was also not dominating every singly conversation.
Hook, Yes it is about time to apologize without any sarcasm. I was pleasantly surprised and happy.
The Hook and Belle scene on board the Jolly Roger. I really liked Hook’s apology. It sounded sincere, and was made all the more so by how he was attempting to help Belle.
Hook’s sincere apology, and self awareness that he’s really NOT actually a redeemed hero just yet was quite surprising and greatly appreciated!
Hook apologised to Belle- that was the highlight of the episode for me
All from users who are either staunch SF’ers or who are, at least, not banner waving CSers.
We can actually be critical of him when we think it’s justified and still acknowledge when he does something good. All of this is to point out that we’re not totally off our nut, we’re not just bitter shippers who are unhappy our thing didn’t sail and that we can capable of rational and logical appreciation of Hook when it calls for it
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And they “fast grew up” together. Then Gideon left to perform this mission in storybrooke and Tiger Lily is still in the dark realm right now with Black Fairy, and Gideon promised he would be back as the new Savior to save her, defeat the Black Fairy, and save the dark realm.
I’m not sure if that would work seeing that the other spoilers about her tease that she’s part of Hook’s past in Neverland.
“As Captain Hook continues on his path to redemption, his dark past is never far away,” executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis tease. “He’s left a long line of adversaries and Tiger Lily is the latest to return and complicate his efforts to leave that past behind.”
http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/20/spoiler-room-timeless-blacklist-redemption-once-upon-time/
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Not to bring up any ship wars or whatever, but I have to think that if it was reversed and Neal and Emma’s proposal didn’t go as planned and was murky and the perfect proposal all SF fans were hoping for got ruined, you would be rooting for the show to turn that around and do a double take and give the audience the proposal they wanted to see. But maybe not…
It’s about Hook’s actions and what it says about his character, though. And for the record, if Neal lied to Emma, tried to hide things from her, tried to protect his own skin over giving her the truth, I’d be angry as heck at him Would I want them to work it out? Sure. Just like the CSers want CS to work this out. No one is going to deny that they want their ship to work.
It’s about what these actions say about the characters, not just the actions themselves. I *understand* on an emotional level why Hook didn’t tell Emma, I think we all do. It’s motivated by fear. But this isn’t the first time (not even the first time this season!) this same scenario has happened and it’s like Emma said, “we have to stop lying to each other!” These two keep doing this to each other and we have to question what that says about their relationship and themselves as individuals.
The writer’s plan backfired. So in order to properly fix Hook’s character, and give the main character, Emma, the proper happy ending, or at least a wedding to someone she loves, they HAVE to fix the proposal. They have to fix what Hook ultimately decided to do or this relationship’s final bow will not stick.
Oh I’m not disputing that at all. Obviously there will be a second go around that the writers feel is more genuine. In universe that’s the writers excuse (Hook messed it up the first time but now we’ll fix it so it’s UBER romantic for the shippers!) but I think we’re all thinking about out-of-universe and what this says, again, about those two and their relationship.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Please let Team Princess meet up be good…please let Team Princess meet up be good.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"so the short version of all this: I’m mad that Hook chose to hide his secret, I’m mad that this feels like a setup to inevitably sweep it all under the rug, I’m mad that he (and the show?) are placing Emma’s feelings about this above Charmings, I’m mad that people are making this about the CS proposal and not about the state of their relationship in general, I’m mad that we all just know this going to end with Hook doing something good to make up for what he did, I’m mad that A&E once again had an opportunity to show Hook as a good guy and didn’t, but will expect us to see him as such anyway.
This is a pretty fair assessment. Also this…
A mistake is something you do accidently. Hook made a choice and was only stopped by being caught in the act.
This is an incredibly fair point. For example, @thedarkonedearie brought up that if everyone has forgiven Regina and preaches forgiveness then it should extend to Hook as well because it’s the idea that they are changed people. Okay, but it also works the other way. We don’t call it a mistake when Rumple took back the Dark One’s powers. We don’t call it a mistake when Regina cast the Dark Curse or conspired with Cora. They were choices.
The difference, I think, between and Regina and Hook this episode was a study in contrasts: Regina chose not to do the wrong thing–killing the Evil Queen with a heart crush. Regina stopped herself, knowing that killing the Evil Queen was not the right path. Hook chose to do the wrong thing–erase his memories so Emma and Charming never learned of it. And the only reason that didn’t come to pass was because of Emma’s timely entrance and her totally random understanding that she was seeing her grandfather….
So is he really a changed person if the baseline for one is not continuously doing bad things? Why does no one say that Rumple has been redeemed? Because he keeps making bad choices.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree with Matt but I would add Tiger Lily under fatalities as well. Black Fairy, Rumple. And Tiger Lily.
Okay that makes a certain amount of sense. They did say that Tiger Lily would only be around for a few episodes. Though, it also means she could vanish to Forgotten Character Island.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"he sincerely gave him his blessing bc of that, he needs to forgive him for killing his father.
Sure. But normal people aren’t going to forgive you for that over the course of one day. Look at how long it took Regina with others. I don’t want Hook to confess and get forgiven in the span of one episode or even two.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Agreed with all of Matt’s predictions.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
