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Ratings for ‘Murder Most Foul’ are FINALLY in. We remained steady with a 0.9.
Yes. With 3.09 million live eyeballs. Did you happen to see the half hours? I’m interested in those.[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Because when your show is tanking in the ratings and you’re unsure if it’s gonna get renewed, you rip off the concept of the highest rating show in forever that got renewed for two seasons when its first was only half done.
If OUAT riffs on TiU, I’m gonna be grouchy. But what you say makes sense.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Is the next episode the last Robin episode?
Not this Sunday (613) but next week’s (614–Page 23), yes.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It's the sticky tongue competition with .@bexmader 's lovely Miss Bella. Who's cuter? 😜😉 🎬📽 .@OnceABC 🎬📽 pic.twitter.com/kX3OkxpiTH
— KarenDavid (@KarenDavid) March 15, 2017
Vancouver bound. Getting close now…👇 https://t.co/Lthzf0LLXO
— Andrew J. West (@andjwest) March 15, 2017
Stage 49 #Ouat signs at Hastings and boundary pointing down Hastings #yvrshoots @olv
— Ken 📸 (@pursuit23) March 15, 2017
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Gospel of Kevin sounds mildly interesting.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"because they care more about redemption for the villain that for justice the actual scales are never balanced.
Also, if I could just make one more point about the Hook/Emma situation post-Robert’s murder.
One of the hallmark tropes of the Savior is their search for justice. They tend to be pretty concerned with it which is why Savior mythologies can be read as political commentaries. So many times the hero/Savior is one of the “little guys” who must stand up to some sort of authority figure who is imposing totalitarian rule if on a grand or cosmic scale.
Think Buffy. She didn’t just go up against Vampires. Her arc enemies were a High School Principal and Mayor (s3); a covert military operation (s4) and a god (s5); all figures that can be seen as imposing total and absolute rule.
Think about Luke Skywalker. His enemy was, yes, Darth Vader, but on a larger more complex scale it was the Empire and the Emperor. The heroes were called rebels because they stood up to the monolith that was this “Empire.”
Voldemort placed his agents inside schools and the Ministry of Magic and even had his own high level “cabinet” officials like Malfoy.
While Frodo’s main antagonist was the pure evil figure Sauron, there’s also Sarouman who was trying to corrupt his fellow wizards from inside the system to bring them all under the Eye.
Superman goes up against Lex Luthor who is a businessman with a mega corporation.
Think about the show Gotham right now. Bruce is going up against a Court of Owls which is, more or less, a demented Congress who secretly rule Gotham without anyone being the wiser.
Or if you want a real world situation, often times real world events of heroes/rebels taking down some sort of totalitarian regime or governmental body get mythologized. When the story is retold it’s cast in mthyological terms and symbols. Mr. Smith goes to Washington, and all that.
My point is that the Hero/Savior is always a fighter for justice. It’s part of their archetype. So for Emma Swan to be so blase about petty and senseless murders from the man she loves, to wave off the victims and care more about “well you’re not murdering anyone now” makes her character seem hollow, disingenuous, and silly. And while writers do not have to be a slave to the trope and its established characteristics, taking away or adding a new one shouldn’t hurt the character.
For example. The writers twisted the trope by making Emma 1) a woman and 2) a mother who’s deepest connection was to her son. Yes, good. This helped the character because it grounded her in the narrative that was 1) female centric and 2) heavily concerned with mother and daughters/children
But making Emma 1)the Savior and 2) a sheriff (the mundane version of her mythological role) and then having her not care about a lot of murders from individuals damages her character.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think this will end up being more about the Charming family than about Hook.
I don’t. If the ramifications for Charming do come up, it’ll always be second to Emma. Hook’s story has always centered on his relationship with Emma and how his actions affect her and their relationship.
the promo, at least, emphasizes that Hook’s only concern is for Emma and whether or not he loses her
I just feel bad for Hook at this point.
I feel bad for the people he’s killed, Charming, Ruth, and those affected by the any murder whether it’s done by Rumple, Regina, Zelena, or Hook. You don’t get my pity for committing murder; it’s not like it’s a hard choice. Don’t kill. Especially in a lot of Hook’s cases where the reason for the murder was tiny petty things (ie: not a crime of passion or revenge, both of which are still very not good!)
I…get that he’s “changed” because he doesn’t murder people anymore but this is one of the biggest problems with OUAT; because they care more about redemption for the villain that for justice the actual scales are never balanced. Hook doesn’t and won’t lose anything for making people lose the most precious thing of all (their life). And the constant affirmation by everyone that it’s okay, it doesn’t matter, because he’s “changed” really undercuts the crime in the first place. At least for me. Hook, and Regina/Zelena (less sure about Rumple) will walk away having to pay very little for their crimes. Hook gets the girl, the happy ending, the family, the love, the acceptance, and an unnaturally long life (he is like 200 years old now). Whereas Robert, a guy genuinely trying to do the right thing and make up for his past mistakes (actual atonement!) gets a knife through the heart. The moral message here is…not great.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"This is officially insane.
Wednesday 8 am PT: Saturday 3.11.2017 cable nationals have been released. Still waiting on Saturday broadcast nationals as well as a revised release schedule for Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.
At this point we may get ratings for 6×12 and 6×13 at the same time. The networks must be losing their minds (feel bad for NBC. Last night was the This is Us finale and they must want those numbers)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It will ruin the show, in my opinion, to kill her off, but that doesn’t mean these writers might not do it.
And *that* is, I think, the big takeaway. It doesn’t matter what the fans think–it doesn’t mean A and E won’t do it. Killing Emma or writing her off isn’t a smart move either way for a variety of reasons but we aren’t inside A and E’s head in terms of how they think. They might go the super bittersweet route (like with Neal) or they might go the super happy ending route (@Michael’s plan). If they know that S7 is the end and they really want to start over at square zero then I think all bets are off in terms of doing “what makes sense for the fans.” It’s all about what they need to do for S7, should there be one.
Also, one more thought: negotiations are just that…negotiations. They aren’t inked named on a line. And the negotiations could be anything from less screen time and a bigger trailer to credit as ex. producer and 250,000/episode. And if ABC doesn’t want to play ball then both parties can walk away.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I hope it involves some proper large scale magic battles – without just stupid fireball throwing.
Preach!
Black fairy is still alive and filming , according to some post i saw on tumblr in a RB fan, people say that she probably will film both last episodes.
Hmmmmmmm
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
