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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
Zelena is one character that comes to mind. She’s at home taking care of her baby.
She is, you’re right but I have two points of criticism about this.
1) We saw very little of this. We saw extremely little of her bonding with her newborn or even trying to be a brand new single mother. She’s literally on her own, without even her sister (Regina, not EQ) to help her, and we saw none of that emotional struggle. A newborn baby is exhausting; you’re tired, you’re cranky, you’re out of your depth. and we barely saw Zelena at all.
2) This first point leads to the second: there’s nothing for Zelena’s narrative except as a mother and because A and E go full throttle on ALL ZE PLOT, motherhood gets cast as something easy, burden free, and like it’s all lollipops and unicorns. It’s sanctification of motherhood (something they are WAY too into on this show, to an uncomfortable degree).
Now, I criticized so let me praise:
Belle and her had a decent conversation I believe because they had the whole baby thing in common.
This kind of conversation is good. It was needed. It links Zelena to others outside of her immediate family (really just Regina) which is absolutely needed since the show is largely pushing the idea of family being more than just your blood relations, they are the community that forms around you.
MORE OF THAT.However, this leads me to the rarity of those moments, like I already pointed out. It makes them more precious but it should be the meat of the show. Again, all ze plot .
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Nothing that JMO has said indicated that she won’t sign a new contract. She’s retweeted the article talking about S7. Her and Colin were the only one’s in the cast. She talked about hope for S7 on her podcast. She said she had no intentions to abandon her character.
No I fully expect she will. I’ve said that many times. I’m saying, though, that on the off chance that she doesn’t…ABC *could* still renew the show because S7 is probably the final season–one last attempt to get some cold hard cash, lead actress or not. ABC’s priorities are vastly different than writers and fans. We care about story; they care about $$. The show Castle and what happened with their lead actress (and half their cast) is proof of that. Now, it blew up in the faces (hence the first line of what you quoted from me) but it’s worth mentioning that ABC is more concerned with money than they are with narrative and who/what is the heart of a show.
What kind of show actually shows you the villain is right, the savior dies. That would be absolutely horrible writing.
Not a Buffy fan, I take it?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Sometimes they chain people to rocks in the mines.
If the writers still canonically think that they chained King George down in the mines, since that was only seen in a deleted scene.
If that’s still canon then I’m going to need some explanation on who has been feeding/watering/talking care of him.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think it is pretty much useless to talk about hope on OUAT because it in and of itself is a such an intangible idea; someone’s definition of hope is going to be different than mine and different than A and E’s. What people mean when they say “I have hope for CS/ I have hope for SF/ I have hope for SQ/ I have hope for Emma..ect” is “I want the story to go the way I want it to go.”
There’s a reason why Adam stopped giving out #hope like it was candy on Twitter. He used to tell anyone, from any subsect of the fandom, to have #hope and people took it to mean that the show would go the way they wished (remember when he told the WoodenSwan shipper to have hope *after* August had been reduced to Pinocchio??). Adam later had to backtrack this that he meant “hope for a good story, no matter what.”
So is the show about hope? Well, maybe, but only if your definition of hope includes XYZ but not ABC (whatever those variables are for you personally).
For me, because the show is more concerned with redemption rather than justice, because there are some questionable (to put it mildly) morals and socio-cultural positions, because character arcs are determined more by popularity rather than narrative heft, then I’m not so sure I can see hope in the show except in the broadest sense of the word–that the characters who make it to the end will get a happy ending and thus “hope” was delivered.
And I think that might be what A and E mean because at the end of the day, hope is just as intangible for them as it for us, the viewers. It’s a buzz word for them; something that sounds really good in a press release or a con or an interview; you constantly hope for happiness, love, acceptance, peace ect but this “hope” won’t actually come until the final frame of the show when there is literally no more story/show to tell. Until then, characters will continue to be tortured to get out the most drama possible; we will continue to see “dark pasts” of characters who like to tout that they aren’t like “that” anymore; we will continue to see little to none of the victims stories; people will continue to die; relationships will form and perish and form again. If it’s hopeful for you–because it’s realistic–then then that’s fine. If it’s not–because the “right” things aren’t getting the hope treatment–then, that’s also fine.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I would sincerely hope ABC has learned their lesson after the Castle debacle. But I also think Bar Farer has raised an excellent point: if S7 is the last (which it undoubtedly is) then depending on what A and E pitch to the network, Emma–while absolutely vital in our eyes–may not matter to ABC in the long run should JMo not wish to sign her contract.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It really does sound like so much is hinging on the contracts of some of the leads. Rebooting a show that has been established for several seasons, to the point where ratings are already dipping, with a new crew is extremely hard (look at current show Sleepy Hollow that had a pretty big shake up at the end of its third season—even though lead actor stayed on, it didn’t help the floundering ratings).
I’m starting to seriously wonder if this whole “Gideon killing Emma” plot was really a precaution in case JMo doesn’t sign. If she doesn’t sign–Emma will die a Savior’s death and S7 is about recovering from that. If she does sign–Emma defeated fate and S7 is the big end to it all.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I can’t remember if we’ve made a note of this or not, but I just saw a promo for ABC’s new “Time After Time.” It will air at 9pm (two hour premiere) on Sunday, March 5. In other words, OUAT is the lead in. Gotta wonder if ABC is hoping that the shows will help each other.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A bit surprised at how Bobby addressed this. Like many of us, I thought he was 100% ready to move on and leave the show once his contract is up. After reading this, though, I wouldn’t be surprised if he still decides to stick around, especially if he is told Season 7 would be the final Season. So really, it could now go either way.
Count me as another surprised person. It was 100% for me but now I’m leaning more toward 70/30 depending on what A and E pitch to him and how his family feels.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
