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Though Rumple moving would have done nothing. I’m sure the ogre wars were drafting from all the towns, so if word had spread of a deserter, people would still know who he was. I mean Mila knew he had forsaken the war BEFORE he even got back home. Plus if he were poor, he’d still have been poor in a new town. I got the impression that without Mila, his work as a spinster wasn’t as productive. One person with a child cant do as much work as two people.
I think this is a good point. Milah and Hook were in love after one meeting at the tavern (we assume it’s one meeting) and I don’t think moving to a new place would change anything. Milah wanted to see the world, to have adventures and was not content to be a spinners wife.
I agree. I remember listening to the OUAT fan podcast commentary with Jeff and Colleen Roney. And I remember, Colleen viewed what Rumple did as the opposite: she thought he was gutsy.
Unsurprisingly, I think it was a gutsy move. From S1 we were lead to believe that Rumple had fled war because he was scared of war itself. But Manhattan shows that Rumple not only went off to war of his own free will, he went off happily (Bobby Carlyle doing that little dance with his big grin I die just thinking about it). It was the incident with the Seer that changed his perceptions. This is not to say that Rumple hasn’t made cowardly decisions—oh absolutely he has! A desperate clinging to of power if cowardly, whether it be Rumple or Regina.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Once Rumple was branded a coward, his family became outcasts because of it. I agree they were never well-off, but if you look at Rumple’s clothes in the pre-Dark One curse, they become progressively more ragged. The town didn’t respect him and that had practical effects on the family – poverty.
Alright, I’ll grant this. But if we’re talking causation then we need to discuss the Seer. She deliberately left out those “pesky details” of what his actions on the battlefield meant. The Seer made it seem as though Rumple was going to die on the battlefield the next morning and thus leave his son without a father, which to Rumple was a crime greater than humiliation. He was willing to endure what others would think of him in order for his son to have a father. He thought Milah would understand, but all she could see was an act of cowardice.
I’m not placing blame squarely on the shoulders of the Seer because in the end we all make our own choices, but I think we have to consider the events that lead to this ostracizing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Regina could have taken the shot of the group if you notice Rumble isn’t in the group either and remember Adam said not to read into anything too much and perhaps Regina is some place else doing filming.
Yeah the shot is clearly a “who is working together” shot and Rumple will probably spend most of this season alone except for his imaginary Belle (eats plate full of cookies).
Regina is either off filming something else on the SB or FTL set or shes in a different part of NL, maybe with RH as Slurpeez suggested.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well I don’t think there is any question that it’s Henry’s heart PP wants. Still no idea why, though I’m sticking with my “to fuel the magic of NL” theory. PP traditionally carries a little dagger with him.
But how will they rescue Henry in time?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Peter Pan is at least as old as Rumple: around 300 years old. We know this because he is alive when Baelfire was taken to NL at the end of 22. By that time he has collected lots of children and has been searching for Henry. Henry himself is only 11. Peter Pan is also being played by a 17 year old and is described as being incredibly old but stuck in the body of a young boy
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"angiebelle wrote: Mr. Gold gets surprising advice? Sounds like a reference to the RumBelle scene we know we are getting!
*cookies*
Except for the fact that SB isn’t suppose to be in 3.02 but in 3.03
Belle’s in SB but Rumple and she have some sort of incredible meeting in 302. It’s supposed to be very shocking
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m growing very suspicious about where Regina is. First Ginny says that they haven’t worked together for a while, and now she’s not in the group shot. Hmmmmmm.
I have a feeling PoM will see and her crack ship flag will fly a little higher.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Mr. Gold gets surprising advice? Sounds like a reference to the RumBelle scene we know we are getting!
*cookies*
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Watcher, it was Rumple’s actions that plunged that family into poverty. He was unwilling to move to another town to start fresh. He also is the one the “criminally” abandoned his son. I don’t think it is illegal to leave your child with his/her loving parent, like Milah did. But it is illegal to abandon your kids completely/strangers as Rumple did. If Milah deserved to die, than so does Rumple in a far more painful manner. I get not liking Milah, The writers haven’t tried at all to make her sympathetic. I can even understand wanting a character you dislike to die after all it is a tv show. I know I’ve do sometimes. But I don’t think Milah should be demonized.
I don’t think the actions of either party–Rumple or Milah–left the family destitute. They were not that well of to begin with. They were humble peasants from the start as we see in Manhattan. Rumple was always a spinner. And when we see him come home in The Crocodile, he is arriving home with wool for spinning. He continously worked as we see in Desperate Souls where he’s even training Bae to learn how to spin or taking the wool to trade at the market, even if it’s also to secret Bae away from the army. Milah didn’t want to leave because they were poor but because she felt “lashed” to the village coward:
Milah: This isn’t a life. Not for me. Why can’t we just leave?
Rumpelstiltskin: We’ve talked about that.
Milah: You don’t have to be the village coward. We could start again. Go somewhere no one knows us. See the whole world, beyond this village.
It is not illegal to leave your child with a loving parent but Milah didn’t think Rumple was that either. She thought Rumple should die instead of being a father–that Bae would need a strong name to be Rumple’s son because of how shameful it would be to be Rumple’s son. She has little regard for Rumple as man or a parent. Yet she was willing to leave her only child with him. If he was *that* horrible of a father and man, she could have taken him with her.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"well said, Keb. BUt it is going to take alot for me to say Rumple has redeemed himself. Rescuing his own flesh and blood or girlfriend is not going to do it for me. It’s a start but if he killed my family member, I would be unmoved by his saving his own family.
For me, personally, I think the first real big step (I would say he’s made tiny little ones so far) Rumple can take is true honest to heaven sacrifice. Like giving up his Dark One’s power for Henry in a battle vs PP (which is totally my headcanon!) Would it totally absolve his sins? Nope. But up until now he’s done small things that maybe benefited others, but also really benefited him. The difference in honest to heaven sacrifice is that he doesn’t gain anything by it. Sacrifice is selfless.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
