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As for the ratings, they may have dropped, but OUAT is still one of ABC’s top performers, so again, I don’t get the desire to focus on the doom and gloom.
As someone who has become an absolute monster about ratings, let me add to this. ONCE is ABC’s third highest rated show. And, out of all the shows on all network USA tv (that’s NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox and the CW) we were 18th in ratings out of about 100 shows. The ratings look bad compared to S1, maybe, but compared to everything else out there, we’re doing perfectly fine.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@HappyEndings wrote:
They are going to have to start putting more of this stuff out there the ratings have really dropped from Season 1 to Season 2 and it isn’t because this happens to every show that Season 2 isn’t a good as Season 1, they have lost what they had started with and to keep fans watching they have better start plugging some of these holes and soon and losing Red really didn’t help either in my opinion.
Rating are an incredibly complicated monster that all shows have to wrestle with. Yes, our rating dropped. But there are several reasons for that:
1) The storyline was far more complicated in season 2 than in season 1. Season 1 was all about getting Emma to believe. It had one goal, one trajectory: to make Emma believe. All the events and stories were clearly leading up to Emma believing and breaking the Curse. Season 2 was much more ambitious. In some ways it succeeded: I found it exciting and intricate and enjoyed many of the twists and turns. In some ways it wasn’t as successful: if you are not a die hard fan, it’s easy to get lost in all the different threads that are being presented.
2) The absolutely terrible scheduling. The stop/start scheduling of S2 did not do us any favors. Combine weird scheduling with overly ambitious storytelling and yes the ratings dropped.Your issues about Red is valid, but I ask you: what more could they do with her?? I’ll miss Red and Meghan but there wasn’t a whole lot left to do with her story. The one story she got this year was obvious filler and one of my least favorites of the first half of the season. Ruby was always going to be the odd man out because she wasn’t as connected to the family (and yes, I know your issues with Belle, we’ve had this discussion many times before, but Belle is Rumple’s TL and therefore Henry’s someday grandmother. She’s family. Ruby was Snow’s best friend, I grant you that, but she her relationship to the CharmingStiltskins was always different). It’s about story. it’s about what story A and E want to tell. Ruby in FTL of the past doesn’t have much more to tell. Her big reveal that she’s also the wolf was great but beyond that, there isn’t much you could do. And it isnt’ like Meghan is gone for good. She expects that she’ll reappear once or twice a year. Her leaving isn’t as devastating as say RC or GG or Lana or JMo leaving would be.
As far as “putting stuff in” now: they are going to. We haven’t seen much less heard anything concrete about S3. I agree with Phee. I think THO had something to do with Henry’s adoption and thus they couldn’t tell that story until S3. We got a lot of answers in S2 that we were wondering about at the end of S1 and the same will be true this time around. We have to be patient. A and E are unbelievably smart (they came up with this show after all) and they know what they are doing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well, no. They never said we’d learn how Henry was adopted in S1 or S2. They said it was a story they were going to tell eventually, and now all signs point to S3. Jared doesn’t need to be in the flashback part of that episode because Henry came to SB at 3 weeks old. Same with the book. They can’t answer these questions right away. They are the biggest pieces of mythology of the Onciverse. They have to build up to that. If they answered those big questions, I’d say the show was nearing its end, and I don’t want that. JMo might not be the most convincing 18 year old, I agree, but if they go back any further they’ll get a kid to play her. And moving forward, Emma ages normally, so it makes sense for JMo to play Emma in her 20s. JMo is only like 30 and can pass for pretty young.
Kat said this a few pages back, but a lot of the questions that get raised here by a bunch of us aren’t actual plot holes, they are just questions that haven’t been answered *yet.* We need to remember that there is another season coming, and probably another one after that. They have time to answer all the questions we might raise. But it is 100% impossible to answer every single question every single audience member has. But they will answer the biggest ones, the ones that matter the most. We have to give them time."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oh gosh. There are TONS of Snow White/Prince Charming/ Charming family vids on YouTube. And here on this thread. You just gotta go back some pages.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I won’t lie. The more we talk about Ariel being on the show, the more I fall in love with the idea of Hookriel. It just makes a lot of sense in my cracked brain.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I *love* that song used in the Nealfire video. KatrinDepp uses it for my all time favorite Once video. It’s the perfect song for anything Once related.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@MysteryKat25 wrote:
I know at some point later on (haven’t gotten there yet) that she talks to MM about one-night stands and implies that the majority of her relationships have been that way so we may never know who any of these guys are, just that she’s dated some…less-than-worthy guys over the years and it helps explain why her walls are still up.
As to the rest I am very interested in seeing more of her transformation from Tallahassee – Pilot because she’s definitely different. We’ve seen her change a lot in the last 2 seasons but I’d like to see how to she got to that point for sure.
I agree. I think mostly those failed relationships were either one night stands, or Emma ran before getting too close, that’s her M.O.
I predict two Emma flashback episodes this season. One dealing with Henry’s birth/life in Tallahassee and one dealing with life after Tallahassee-Pilot.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@HappyEndings wrote:
What was that fight that Regina was talking to Gold about in Granny’s when Cora was coming to SB, Gold said that he won and Regina said that isn’t how her mother tells it. ❓
We don’t know. I’m almost 99.9% sure we’re going to get that story in S3 because we know that the woman who played young Cora was already asked to come back for an episode in S3. That was spoiled before The Miller's Daughter came out.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@HappyEndings wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Yes, if PP is an adult why would he want to latch on to a kid that is 11 years old.
There are many theories about this. Mine is that he needs Henry’s shadow, that Henry’s shadow is special and has something to do with making sure PP will never age in NL. I think thus far, he takes shadows from boys to keep the magic in NL going, but it’s never enough. Henry’s shadow is like the ultimate sacrifice.
Except that he is already in NL, and should have never aged.
You’re assuming that NL has always worked that way. We don’t know how NL’s time works. It could be that PP discovered that using boys shadows kept him from aging while in NL.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wonder what made Emma become a bounty hunter. After she got out of jail we know she spent two years in Tallahassee, presumably waiting/looking for Nealfire. So…what happens next?
@HappyEndings wrote:
See some of this could have been answered when Snow and Emma was in FL together, I thought they would be able to bond more there without everyone around boy was I disappointed.
Yes, some nice mother/daughter moments would have been nice, but they did have a lot to do and I’m sure in S3 we’re going to get some Emma flashbacks now that they’ve opened that door, post Tallahassee.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
