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The problem is that some some of those lands are in Fairy Tale Land. Mulan’s kingdom is in FTL, but separate from the EF where our heroes came from. It’s possible that Camelot (King Arthur and Lancelot) are also from FTL, but that Camelot resides outside of the Enchanted Forest. Lancelot never said he realm jumped.
I’m not sure about any of the doors except that 12 is for sure Wonderland.
11 looks like it is probably Oz because of the Curtains
5 is potentially Agrabah, but again we don’t know if Agrabah is a separate realm or just another kingdom inside FTL.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And the Land without magic cannot be in the hat as Jefferson’s hat only goes to lands WITH magic.
The World Without Color should be there.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"How did you determine those?
5. Agrabah–Aladdin, Jafar, the Genie.
11. Oz (Green curtains)
12. Wonderland (Mirror)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Phee wrote:
He worded it in a crafty bugger of a way to mess with our heads. 😈 I too am confident of SwanFire being endgame, but don’t expect it to be confirmed for a good while yet.
Ditto. I also don’t *want* it to be confirmed yet but I like drama. Let them really struggle to find peace with the past and then figure out how to be a family. It can’t just be wham bang happily ever after!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"He even admitted that he ran because he was afraid of his dad. He wasn’t running to allow Emma to fulfill her destiny. He ran because of his dad.
Uh, where was that?
The beach scene in Second Star to the Right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C1d7d840NY
“I wanted to look for you. I was too afraid.”
“Of what?”
“That you would never forgive me cause I never forgave myself. there hasn’t been a day that has gone by that I haven’t regretted leaving you. I’m sorry Emma. For everything.”Having read Phee’s response, I second the “not trying to change your mind” It’s perfectly fine if you don’t like Neal. I hope you can maybe one day see what we see. Obviously this is probably the biggest disagreement in the fandom.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m as confident as you are! Especially post SSTR.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Neal was ready to leave her the moment he knew he could end up in jail, it took Emma to argue and to tell him she loved him to make him stay.
I think it’s important to note that Neal wanted to go to Canada alone not because he didn’t love Emma but he was worried that if they were caught together, she’d be in as much trouble as he was.
Neal: I got to go to Canada alone.
Emma: Why?
Neal: If I get caught and you’re with me, you’re in trouble-
And yet Neal took the deal August proposed him, he left her high and dry in her happiness bubble, Neal offered her a home, he promised her Tallahassee.
There is nothing worse, than giving someone high expectation, high hopes and then shatter them to pieces. Neal broke Emma, he crushed her heart.
I agree that Neal did break Emma’s heart and his promises of Tallahassee fell through, but that was in the wake of finding out who she was. He always intended for Tallahassee to happen. I think it bears saying that in a show built on magical constructs where fate and destiny are obviously real (if gently manipulated) Tallahassee couldn’t happen. He had to leave her in order for her to fulfill his destiny. What was his other option? Telling her that he’s from another land and so is she and that she needs to go break a curse so fairy tale characters can remember who they are? That’s a journey Emma had to make alone. She had to believe on her own, through Henry.
When he received that postcard from August, he could have gone to SB, and tried to apologize to Emma. But Neal never came back. He was happily engaged to Tamara and it was all he wanted: He didn’t want Emma, he didn’t need her.
I disagree. I don’t think Neal ever really loved Tamara, not the way he loved Emma. Tamara was the easy path. Like his father, when Neal got scared and turned to something easier than dealing with the pain of maybe really having lost her forever. If he had really love Tamara, he would have told Emma upfront about her, not waffled about it. He was terrified of seeing her again because he knew she would be hurt and upset. And yes, she should be. Neal made an impossible choice to let her go because she is the savior and the savior had a role to fulfill and she had to do it alone or she never would have done it at all.
When Neal met his son, it was cute, okay, but when Emma warned him about not breaking his heart the way he had broken hers, Neal’s reaction was to laugh at her. Okay it could be because he was nervous and yet, at the bar, Neal could have apologized but he didn’t.
That’s not what Neal said. Neal owned up to it. Neal knows he hurt Emma, but he thought he was doing right by her, and in many ways, he was. Being abandoned is horrible and no one knows that better than Nealfire, but Emma had a destiny. We have to keep that in mind. Her destiny overlays this entire show.
Emma: Great. Go talk to him, then. But… Don’t break his heart.
Neal: Trust me – I’m not going do to him what he did to me.
Emma: Or what you did to me.
Neal: Okay. I get it. We’re all messed up. What do you say we try to avoid that with him? Alright?
Emma: Alright.
All that time together and Neal never sat Henry down and explained to him that Emma was trying to protect him and never meant to lie and hurt him? ‘Cause that would have been the fatherly thing to do, to call him out on his rudeness towards his mom. It never happened.
Not Neal’s fault, that’s on the writers for trying to push plot not character the second half of the season. And we don’t know what was going on off camera.
Neal keeps mocking her, trying to get a jealous reaction from Emma. It’s not only childish, it’s really mean. Emma is wounded because he found Tallahassee with someone else, because he moved on and it’s like Neal is trying to prove to her that he’s over her now. It’s mean, rude and unacceptable.
I never once saw this. Neal acknowledged several times that Tamara was a surprise and that he knew it was awkward for her to be there. It was EMMA who kept telling him she didn’t care about Tamara being there or their relationship. And that hurt him, you can see that he’s hurt when it appears that Emma is perfectly fine that he’s moved on. And we both know they haven’t.
He never believed her, in her aptitudes, her skills, everything that makes her Emma. He doubts her, he never believes her and treats her like a child. Yes, Emma’s super power doesn’t work sometimes but come on, she was spot on about Tamara the whole time and it wasn’t jealousy or had nothing to do with wanting to get back together with her ex
He believed she was the savior, he believed in her destiny that only she could bring back the happy endings. He believed it so much, he let her go. And he jokingly says her power never worked, but Emma reminds him that yes he did believe in it. He’s scared. He doesn’t want to be betrayed AGAIN, like he was by Rumple and then later Hook. He doesn’t want to think that he trusted someone again only to have them manipulate him.
Neal never showed any interest about getting back with Emma, never. He took him a long time to apologize, and I think it wasn’t enough, I saw it like a tentative to calm her down, because she was after Tamara.
He waited 10 years. He only moved on at the last second because of fear. Am I saying it was the right thing to do? No, it was cowardly. But he is his father’s son. And he was being manipulated by Tamara.
Neal wanted to marry Tamara all along, it doesn’t matter if she was evil or not, Neal did love her, he did want to marry her and he did find his Tallahassee with her.
Like I said before, I don’t think he did. I think it was fear that drove him to get engaged to her. It wasn’t noble, it was cowardly, I’ll grant that. But when you’ve been abandoned you’re whole life, it’s nice to think that someone finally wants you. You fall for it and you fall for it hard. He fell in love with the feeling of being wanted, not Tamara herself. His heart has always belonged to Emma.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Yuka Chan wrote:
I also really, really don’t like Mary Margaret/Snow sometimes. There’s something about really “good” characters that puts me off. In fact, I had a phase a few months ago where I kinda hated all the “heroes” on the show because it felt like they were justified in whatever they did just because they were being depicted as the heroes… I think I’m past it now?? But there is something about Snow, especially after Cora gets killed that really annoys me because she comes across as so self-pitying.
Interesting. Sometimes I’m also annoyed by the good guys (like Snow and Charming) because their goodness is so often in your face. I remember being really irritated right before Charming went down the hole to save Anton, he and Snow stopped to talk about their goodness and have a little kissing scene. I was like, “yes I know. You’re saving him because that’s what you people do. Just go do it!” Charming is prone to over the top speeches about valor and honor, but that’s what makes him the romantic hero. I don’t hate them at all, but glad they made Snow the one who tricked Regina, because her character needs to be more nuanced lest she become a cliche or boring.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
