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If he has Belle’s memories he should have the good stuff too, which I find problematic. Rumple has done a lot of bad in recent seasons, no doubt. But belle has also witnessed his heroism, his sacrifices, his grief after losing Bae and the lengths he went to find Bae again. There are nuances in Rumple that young fetus is neglecting.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Said the same thing in another thread. You’re right; there are no real stakes here.
See I disagree. I could see them killing the Savior if she does so to protect everyone she loves and goes out in true Savior form. And the suspense part of it is who exactly is under the cloak. And I love the idea that every Savior has a villain that is sort of their crutch. Again my bet, is that it’s Rumple.
And if she dies so what? She’ll just live in a red filterred Storybrooke.
And the gang will just go save her or Zeus/other god will bring her back.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"o then Hook went to get a drink at Grannie’s? Why is that bad on Hook’s end? This is all Emma. Hook did everything he could and she won’t divulge and trust him. You can’t blame Hook for getting a drink after those ridiculously frustrating conversations. I’d get a drink too if I was Hook.
Never said Hook was solely to blame. I’m beyond fed up with Emma but the question was posed about what it says about the CS relationship and if this was the first time we’ve seen Emma shut down or see Hook go drink when there’s a problem, I’d actually be a lot more forgiving because that’s a natural human response. But these two keep resorting to the same tactics and it’s old. I actually think Hook was being pretty reasonable and Emma’s being an annoying shrew but what these actions (and how they cope) say about their pairing is up for debate.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But I can fanwank that they had a conversation immediately following Robin’s funeral, where Regina made the offer for Zelena and baby Robyn to move in with her.
And this ultimately is my problem. I’m tired of having to fanwank stuff into existence in order to explain what the characters are doing. After six years I should not have to go looking for answers to basic questions like “when did Zelena and Regina decide to live together”
It’s like when Belle and Moe made up or a handful of other moments that happen off screen and are only for current plot developments.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"This is the same as the S5 finale, for two straight years OUAT did not improve from finale to premiere.
The good news: we didn’t fall from our finale last year.
The bad news: we didn’t rise from our finale last year and a 1.2 is a low way to start off the season.
Seasons of TV fall as time goes on in the season; it’s just what happens. What matters more is how hard they fall before they find their floor. Usually what happens with OUAT is that we stay steady(ish) for the first 3 episodes before the real decline begins. I’d say we will hover around a 1.1-1.2 until episode 604 when we’ll see our first drop (1.0). From there, who knows. Episode 605 might actually gain some traction because it’s an Aladdin-heavy episode and he and Jasmine are beloved Disney characters
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Numbers are in for both the OUAT s6 special “Evil Reigns Once More” and episode 6×01 “The Savior”
“Evil Reigns Once More”
Demo: .6
Eyeballs: 2.83 million
“The Savior”
Demo: 1.2
Eyeballs: 3.89 million
This is the same as the S5 finale, for two straight years OUAT did not improve from finale to premiere.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Lily is writing for TVGuide now! Here’s her review
http://www.tvguide.com/news/once-upon-a-time-the-savior-photo-recap/?ftag=TVG_Twitter
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Surely the red bird has to be Iago. Though it’s a bit odd that he’s the pet of the Oracle.
Oh, I think the Oracle is Jafar. The way the eyes glowed red…total Snake move.
Matt just brought this up: remember what he did to Amara in WL? He turned her into the snake! So maybe the Oracle is really the bird staff and I’m pretty sure Jafar is impersonating the Oracle.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"They are not going to kill off Emma.
I don’t think for a single second that Emma will really die. And I think her “villain” is really herself, with her walls, standing in the way of her own happy ending.
I think this is an interesting idea, because no matter how many times they say Emma does not have walls and that Hook and her family took down her walls, she obviously had them up this episode. I think the bigger question is what this says about Hook and Emma’s relationship. She obviously does not trust him enough to let him in at all. She hid the shaking of the hands, she hid the visions, she even refused to let him help her with the bird. How did Hook handle all this, he got angry and went drinking at a bar. No discussions, no hey I know something is wrong and I am going to make you talk about it, just Okay whatever I will go my way and you go yours.
Oh I think it speaks loads about the CS relationship but I don’t know that A and E understand what it says about the pairing. That’s the issue isn’t it? Do A and E actually understand how their writing is translated on screen? I think in their heads their response would be “this is how Emma reacts. She has walls. They go up” without thinking through the romantic repercussions. Emma runs away, Hook runs off and drink and if you were to ask A and E they’d say something like “keep watching. they are taking a journey together!”
However…
t’s interesting that you brought this up. Does anyone else think the line about Emma’s leather jacket in the opening CS scene held any kind of symbolism? She says she should take it off, which seems like a strange thing to say, because why would you focus on only one item of clothing in that situation? Hooks says to leave it on because he likes it. So is the jacket meant to symbolise Emma’s hang ups? Is this another subtle reference to the fact that Hook likes Emma’s walls, as he’s already admitted? Or are they attempting to show that Hook accepts Emma as she is, because the jacket is supposed to be an integral part of Emma?
I also thought that was really strange. Her red leather jacket has always been referred to her as her armor, that which kept her protected from the hardships of the world. It’s her superhero cape too, though. She puts it on when it’s time to suit up as the Savior (see, episode 312). So which does Hook like? How is the jacket being read here?
Or is it just vanilla kink for the sake of vanilla kink and the writers don’t have any sort of meaning behind it either than the fact that they both favor red leather jackets.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It’s been a long time since I disagreed with Phee (like five years) but while I agree that characters were having conversations, those conversations still have to make sense. For example
Regina venting to Snow about how it made her mad that Zelena lost the feather. Snow telling her to talk to Zelena about whatever the real issue is.
This one is inoffensive so I’m willing to let it slide but the show kept presenting Snow as someone who pops up instantly when ever Regina needs someone to talk to. As if Snow’s not a character but something Regina can just conjure up at will. How exactly did Snow know that Regina was at the vault? And later how did Snow know that Regina was sitting on that bench and needed to talk? Snow has no character motivation of her own except through Regina’s story which is frustrating. Now, the final conversation on the bench between the two was so great I really am letting this slide but the scenes feel haphazardly put together when the writers don’t explain how characters end up together in these situations. And unless Regina sent Snow a text that said “broke up with sis. bring wine” then Snow is left feeling like a plot convenience and not a person.
I loved that Regina let that out and told Zelena right to her face. And then Zelena airing her own resentment over Regina ripping out the part of her that was most like her. Guys, I pretty much hate Zelena, she’s been pretty much dead to me and I’ve wanted her off my screen ever since that moment at the vault with Neal and Belle, but in this moment with Regina, I actually felt kinda sorry for Zelena, and I never thought the day would come where I’d say that.
This argument between Zelena and Regina super bothered me. It doesn’t make any sense with what came before this season. It only makes sense in terms of what the writers want to do next, namely have the EQ and the WW strut around together as BFFLs, being all evily and wickedy. The only way this conversation/heated argument will make sense to me is if Regina realizes that she’s misplacing her anger and blame and that there’s blame to go around. Regina just blames Zelena? Why? How about her own fault: she’s the one who told Zelena to go to Hades because maybe love could change him. How about Emma–sure, Regina chose to follow her down to the Underworld –but it was still Emma’s idea in the first place. How about Hades himself? How about Robin himself? How about Cora? How about Zeus who clearly has magical restorive abilities? How about Rumple? Placing all the blame on Zelena is a cheap way to create drama, something that comes across even more when you have the out of the blue scenario of Zelena moving into Regina’s without any set up whatsoever! They literally get back from NYC/LUtS and there’s a crisis within 20 seconds but somehow Zelena knows to move into the mansion? And has her bags and stuff mostly unpacked? How? When did this conversation even happen? It did’t but the writers want to amp up the drama so that the argument is even heavier all to serve the final scene of the EQ and the WW becoming best buds. I’m all for these character conversation moments but they have to make sense and be a reflection of what came before not just set up for what’s to come next.
but I appreciated that her parents had actually been to the town shrink to ask him to check on her, and here he was giving her advice, just like Jimminy Cricket should. It’s about freaking time!
You’re right, it’s about freaking time but this is what annoys me. Where was Jimminy when Neal died? When Hook died? When Emma came up with the hairbrained solution to go to the Underworld and rescue Hook? Where was the parental concern about Emma then? But oh no! Emma’s hand shook for 20 seconds, better call the Shrink! He’s appearing now because the plot calls for it and him randomly walking through the woods with coffees feels a lot like what Snow felt for Regina–he’s there because the plot dictates it, not because it makes any sense given how the characters normally react when one of their own is upset
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
