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With regards to Henry Sr: my question is WHY would have Cora told Henry Sr Rumple’s name?? If we are correct that Henry is the Prince Cora will marry after spinning straw into gold, as in the original fairy tale, I don’t know why Cora would reveal that it wasn’t her to make the gold. Her whole marriage to the Prince is based on this one moment where she proves she can spin straw into gold. I don’t think Cora would throw that away by telling her new husband about the man who really did it. He may have known that Rumple taught her magic, but not about the gold and not his name.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It could be as simple as Rumpelstiltskin tricking her into getting it back. I just think it’s unlikely right now that they’ll follow the Miller’s Daughter story exactly by having Cora get out of giving up her baby to Rumpel by guessing his name. I know Henry Sr. doesn’t refer to him by name, and it’s certainly possible that he kept his name from people until Cora found out what it was, and then after that he just decides to tell everyone his name.
With regards to Henry Sr, I think it makes total sense that Cora never told him about Rumple. If she married Prince Henry based on the fact that she could spin straw into gold, you don’t tell your new husband that it was all a trick and that you made a deal with the Dark One. He could banish you, annul the marriage, ect. She deceived royalty, so I think we need to bear that in mind. (Just like Cinderella didn’t tell Thomas about her deal with Rumple)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Let’s also not forget that Rumple was looking for other ways. He was sending Jefferson out into other worlds looking for little trinkets that would help get him here faster. He tried to take the bean from Smee, he sent Jefferson to get the slippers, but nothing worked out, so he had to use the Dark Curse. And he was missing the most important ingredient: the heart of the person he loved the most. Bae’s in our world so that’s off the table and he thinks Belle is dead so she’s not an option.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree with EvilQueen, but do want to point out that this world is no longer a world without magic. But, I think this again shows that the curse isn’t fully broken; the residents of SB only woke up, but they didn’t revert to what they were before the curse.
What I’m most interested in is how the giant got to SB. Lake Nostos isn’t near the bean stalk right?? They did a lot walking, I seem to recall."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Magic Bean : I agree with you. I think we haven’t seen Hook’s full character development yet. I just wish he’d stop terrorizing poor Belle. And, in this show, the most compelling characters are the ones who float somewhere between good and evil. My favorite character is Rumple after all, so I like those antiheroes. 🙂
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I just posted my response to this in the thread over in The Queen is Dead since I checked that one first (my bad…) but I’ll put it here too.
Yeah, I can’t answer this. lol. I admit it’s a huge hole for this whole “dagger” theory. But I don’t think it’s his name either just because Rumple always introduces himself, which is strange. If Cora found the dagger, made the deal for magic she may have thought she’d be powerful enough to take him on once she gave back the dagger. And we do know she and Rumple are almost equal in power; Rumple admitted that their fight was a close one in “Into the Deep.” Cora could have kept the dagger and controlled the Dark One but it would have meant that there would always be one person more powerful than her, which I think would have occurred to her and trouble her. She could have killed him and become the Dark One, but Cora’s so vain that she may not have wanted to be green? (I’m stretching a bit here, I know 🙂 )
Phee: the idea that his name hadn’t become common knowledge. I don’t know about this. Because weren’t there “whispers of a man” waaaaaay back in season one in FTL of the past right before the curse? It seems like his name becomes less common as time goes on. But whenever Rumple himself meets someone, he does his whole bow/introduction thing. He did this with Regina in 2×02 and Hook in 2×04 when he challenged him to a duel. Didn’t he do it with Cinderella too in 1×04? I don’t recall him introducing himself to Belle in Skin Deep but she did know his name. The Dark One becomes more mysterious and more mythical as time goes on, but Rumple never hides his name. And if they were to follow the original fairy tale, saying his name (which is the key to his power) should have robbed him of his power so at this point, he should be long gone given that everyone from Milah to Cora to Regina to Snow to Belle, ect. have said his name. Which leads me back to the dagger because that’s his true secret. He goes to great lengths (like murdering his and Bae’s servant in The Return for even just MAYBE seeing the dagger) to protect that secret. That’s why I think the real twist in his fairy tale for H and K will be replacing his name with the dagger.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’ve asked that already in the other thread, but maybe it’s better to discuss it here: Why should Cora ever have given back the dagger if she once had it? Cora doesn’t struck me as a person caring much about deals or code of honor, she does, what she thinks she has to do. So, unless she had no idea, why the dagger is so important for Rumple, why should she have given it up? I mean, come on, controlling the Dark One, what a power that offers, power to become rich and powerful and get everything for the daughter. Not saying the story by no means could go that way, but then have to come up with some good explanation, why Cora hasn’t the dagger anymore.
Yeah, I can’t answer this. lol. I admit it’s a huge hole for this whole “dagger” theory. But I don’t think it’s his name either just because Rumple always introduces himself, which is strange. If Cora found the dagger, made the deal for magic she may have thought she’d be powerful enough to take him on once she gave back the dagger. And we do know she and Rumple are almost equal in power; Rumple admitted that their fight was a close one in “Into the Deep.” Cora could have kept the dagger and controlled the Dark One but it would have meant that there would always be one person more powerful than her, which I think would have occurred to her and trouble her. She could have killed him and become the Dark One, but Cora’s so vain that she may not have wanted to be green? (I’m stretching a bit here, I know 🙂 )
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Hook, you’re making it very hard for me to really like you…
Rumple, my love, get better reception. Also: that cell phone is like..ancient.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Anyway, as for evidence.
We now know Henry sr. was a prince, who lost his claim to the throne somehow- check
Cora would need motive for hating and wanting revenge on her sister (family intrigues are always the worst and most complicated ones, hence- a reason for Snow and her father the King not knowing Cora and Regina in Stable boy-check) But her sister ‘having it all’, everything Cora ever wanted. Would be motive for jealousy- checkI agree with this except I don’t think that automatically means they are sisters. I think Cora just really wants a throne (any throne) back. And she’s willing for it to be Regina because I think we all know that Cora would be the true power behind the throne. She could kill Eva without it being a family intrigue. We know Cora arranged for Snow’s horse to go go crazy in Stable Boy thus leading for Regina to save SW and met Leopold, so I don’t think it’s far outside the realm of possibility that she’s been plotting to take the throne for much longer.
If Henry did lose his kingdom/throne to George, it wouldn’t make sense for her to go after that realm because George had an heir, the original James who would have been the same age as Snow, and thus not marriageable age for Regina. Killing George wouldn’t help Cora get a throne.
I suppose she could have arranged for Regina to marry George but that wouldn’t be faithful to the original Fairy Tale."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
