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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
Blue Fairy – Starts a new career as a farm equipment safety inspector. On more than one occasion, falls face down into a cowpat.
YES PLZ
EDIT: ok, I just read your entire list. Your mission in life now is to make sure you become a writer on OUAT
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’m glad we’re getting that small town feel back. Storybrooke itself is as much a character as the likes of Snow and Emma.
Yes that is seriously joyous news. I’m just hoping (lolz) that the season lives up to that promise.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I have no idea. I’d prefer A so we can still have the three month break.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I honestly don’t know how I feel about this. I don’t think it’s JUST the split season that is causing the problems. And to be perfectly honest, I love the two 3-month breaks. But I do admit that trying to put two stories out in one season isn’t doing us any favors.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Once again, Hook didn’t choose to be the DO. Rumple did. When in the end, when it matter the most, Hook made the sacrifice needed.
I’ll agree to “agree to disagree” but just to point out the other side of the argument, just to show where people are coming from, it’s not that Hook made this huge all sweeping heroic sacrifice. He simply undid everything he had put into play in the first place. He set up the entire situation, he was the reason why everyone needed saving in the first place. In my eyes, you don’t get applauded for deciding, at the last second, to not kill an entire town full of people that you originally were going to send to the Underworld. And while everyone can talk about being infested by the DO and being under Niume’s control, go back and watch the episode “Nimue.” It’s very clear in the interactions between Nimue and Emma that Emma is in control; Nimue can try to persuade but it’s Emma who decides her actions all along (the great “I’ve never been nothing” speech.
But I agree with @sciencevsmagic that both Rumple and Hook can be as evil/bad as the other. I don’t think it’s a contest. I used to love Rumple dearly but now I’ve easily become one of his harsher critics around these parts. You’re right that everyone’s deeds get forgotten to some extent on this show. But I think it happens more often with Hook. Look at Regina, for instance. While you don’t hear of specific examples in the season 5 finale, it’s all about the vile nature of the Evil Queen.
Hook’s crimes by contrast – bullying, lewdness, sexual aggression, asssault – these are things we DO see on a day to day basis. Many have been victims of such acts. Because of this, I think people’s reaction to Hook tends to be more personal and more visceral.
This is a HUGE part of it for me personally. I want relatable and human character but that means that when they do something all too real and real-world, they have to pay for it in some way, just like I would expect them to do in the real world.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Regina and Zelena will likely be best friends and there’ll be no resentment because the story is moving on. It’s how A and E roll.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Ahh, let me first start by saying I was making general comments. I was not specifically saying how people on here felt about Hook when he first was introduced. I am talking about other forums, and friends that I have who watch the show.
Forgive me for implying otherwise. Wasn’t my intention.
If you truly did not find Hook’s introduction to the show compelling, or the very least, a little interesting, then that is truly odd to me. Everyone has tastes, but he was such a different character that the show didn’t have.
Well, let me extrapolate on this, then.
I didn’t see Hook as a breath of fresh air because the broad strokes of his story are similar to other stories, namely Regina, Rumple, and the Hollywood pirate in the vein of Jack Sparrow.
–His main introduction is that he lost Milah and he is seeking revenge for the death of his loved one. That’s straight up Regina. His snark and snappy lines is also in the Regina vein which is why they still play off each other so well, to this day.
–His other story that was lost quite quickly was that a big part of his redemption had to deal with his father/son dynamic with Nealfire. That was part in parcel with Rumple. And for what it’s worth, I was a huge supporter of Captain Fire and that development. I really wanted Neal to have fatherly feelings for Hook and for that to be sincerely developed because THAT–the lost boy who found a “father” in his father’s greatest enemy–REALLY WAS something new.
And I will say this, while I did not really enjoy Hook from the first, I did enjoy some part of his snark–especially with Cora. “Sparkly dirt” still makes me crack up. And, for what’s it worth, when Hook isn’t with Emma–like his side adventure with Arthur–I find I’m not as excessively annoyed and that he has some moments.
–Finally Hook is VERY in the mold of the 21st century Hollywood pirate–extra eyeliner, rum, swagger, and less scurvy-infested rotten teeth. Think Johnny Depp but less Keith Richards-inspiration.
So, his story felt like something I’d already seen and thus he was rather extraneous to me.
As for the other factors, this we’ve discussed before so you roughly know where I stand. Hook’s a villain, he’s going to say and do villainous things, but I can’t applaud those things/sayings or even accept them simply because he’s wearing the tag “villain”, like implying gang rape of Milah. Those things turn my stomach (and I really don’t think it’s part of the ABC Family Hour the show tries to sell itself as…) to the point where I found him more than villainous…something all too real in our world.
But with Hook it’s more like attacking on here. When Rumple does something bad, people on here tend to try and make excuses for him, or try and say well he’s always been this way, he’s torn and he wants to have both power and love. And it’s an actual debate because the fandom legitimately is divided on whether he is a morally grey character anymore, or of he truly is an evil villain. With Hook, it’s never about the good things he does on here. Ever. It gets downplayed massively.
Hmmm. I dunno. I do see what you’re saying here and certainly this forum in particular has a bent toward not liking Hook in any regard. But I *do* think that his good deeds–while good and heroic (and I’ve said as much other places)–are still minor in comparison to his ill deeds. Putting pages in a book to help the CharMillStiltskin clan in SB doesn’t quite override the murder of manys, to be explicit.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
