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, what was Emma supposed to do.
I’m on my phone so forgive me if this is full of typos.
What I wanted/ want s for Emmas progression to NOT co.e to a screeching halt as soon as Hook enters the picture. For her to sit with that guilt and other feelings for longer than a hot second and for it all to not get waved away when Hook enters the scene. Everyone, writers included, keep coddling Emma and refusing to have her really sit with her errors. That’s not how you progress a character organically. She needs space, room to breathe, and room to contemplate her actions without it being interrupted by her romantic liaisons.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Do you think A&E have had enough of OUAT? It used to be crafted so well but recently it just kind of feels slap-dashed together. There’s no continuity, it’s all about the arc of the moment.
No because I don’t think THEY think it’s slapdash. They still think they’re doing a bang up job. It’s their audience that has an issue, in their eyes. It’s portions of their audience that can’t seem to grasp what they are doing; thus their solution is to double down on whatever their audience isn’t “getting so that we “get it.” It’s what Kiki said in a link I posted a few pages about certain privilege.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The arguments are crap because Emma and Neal’s relationship was one of equals and that is the most important thing.
That.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Robin’s coffin is never showed once Emma runs in and embraces Hook
Well, we know it’s still there. It hasn’t been lowered because Emma is looking at it, then the WOOSH happens and no one but Hook and Emma are around so it’s clearly still above ground. I don’t think the coffins location (and its viability) are really the issue. It’s what the scene says.
You guys are acting like Hook showed up, and Emma completely forgot about Robin and where she was in the cemetery, and the grief she was dealing with right before Hook showed up. When in fact, that’s not what happened at all.
It’s not that she forgot about Robin. It’s that she never begins to really acknowledge, in text, out loud, for anything longer than a fraction of a second after Snow leaves her that her actions have consequences. I will grant that some fans are blowing this out of proportion, but I don’t think you’re quite grasping what the other side (like the non angry side, my side for instance) is saying. I don’t care that they kissed. I don’t even care that Hook came back–it was always obvious that he would. It’s what the scene says, subtextually, about the two characters–Hook and Robin–and what it’s saying about Emma’s own emotional growth that bothers me.
And I think they absolutely accomplished that with Snow and Emma’s conversation at the funeral, and then when Emma shows Hook what the consequence was for her actions to bring him back.
But there are no consequences for Emma. The consequence was on someone else (Robin) and Emma never has to actually pay for anything, and neither does Hook–in fact both get rewarded. This is the subtextual conversation going on under the scene that I’m trying to explain.
To me, anyone who found a huge problem with this scene, is bitter about Hook returning period.
Okay, well then there’s really no point in us continuing this at all. If you’re just going to look at it your way (as is your right) then there’s no point in me trying to explain why some people have issue from a non angry-shipper, non-pro Robin Hood stance. And just to point out, again, I don’t even care that Hook came back. He can come back. That’s fine. I’ll even acknowledge that he did some nice heroic things in the Underworld during the episode in question. I have issue with what the scene says.
I certainly wouldn’t go so far as to surmise Hook and Emma were getting it on in the graveyard,
Yes. The change in day was poor planning on the shooting department. That’s all. There is nothing sexual going on in the graveyard. I agree that it’s over blown.
I don’t put it past the writers to actually do that and think it the most romantic thing ever that Hook and Emma were lost to the throes of passion and reacquainted themselves with each other.
Considering the fact that A and E won’t even explicitly say whether or not Emma and Hook have consummated their relationship is telling. It means they aren’t thinking that way. Sorry, but I do think you’re overthinking this part. It’s just more inconsistency that has to do with poor planning on the filming schedule. Nothing more.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I just don’t understand why the writers would choose that particular place for a reunion.
I think from the writers perspective, they didn’t have enough time budgeted in the episode (Hook returns at the very end) to get Emma someplace else. And while I understand that somewhat, it shows one of the larger problems of the show in general: poor planning. Had they cut some fluff, condensed some scenes, then they could have had enough time to give Robin a funeral and then have Emma go elsewhere.
The other part of this is, of course, that the writers really don’t see why anyone would dislike the scene (unless you’re just an “angry shipper”–which I am not, I didn’t ship OQ). Adam will acknowledge that some people are upset but his rebuttal is always, “but some people liked it a lot, I’m sorry you didn’t.” So even with proper time allotted, I somewhat doubt that we’d have a change of venue .
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"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t care that they kissed–of course they were going to. Hook did come back from the dead afterall! I care about the way it was presented. Emma finally had to grapple with the fact that her actions led to this–led to someone dying; and while everyone agreed to go to the Underworld, Emma was finally beginning to grasp the severity of those actions.
Instead of Hook showing up right at that moment and denying Emma any sort of emotional understanding and growth (to recognize that her life choices, her flying off the handle, her going to pell mell into the Underworld led to disaster) what the writers COULD have done was give Emma some time at Robin’s coffin, then go home (or literally any other place in SB) and then have Hook show up. The fact that the he shows up right as Emma seems to be on the brink of an emotional breakthrough, and Hook’s arrival denies Emma any sort of self-reflection, is what made my skin crawl. Emma and Hook get off free without having to give any serious consideration to their actions (be it making Hook a dark one, damning everyone to the Underworld, killing Merlin, deciding to “chose love”…) while the location they are in is a very real reminder of the consequences to their actions.
Yes, the funeral is over (though the coffin is sitting right there and there is something to be said about proper time and proper place, especially when one of the characters in question has magic and can literally POOF them someplace more appropriate) but the consequences of the funeral (and Robin’s death) are still on going.
Was the kissing, enthusiasm, ect a proper human response given the life and death circumstances? Sure. Could it have been written better to allow growth, consideration, and to allow consequences to sit with our characters and save the shippyness of it all for a later moment? Yup, absolutely.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It’s bittersweet news for Poldark fans – the release of the second series has been pushed back by six months, but star Aidan Turner has given a heavy hint that a third series is all but guaranteed.
Ross, Demelza and Elizabeth will not return to TV screens until autumn (2016) more than a year after the dramatic end of the first series. However, while that may be an inconvenience to viewers, on the upside, the second series will now have ten episodes, two more than the first.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/63152/poldark-series-two-delayed-but-star-hints-at-a-third-series
Which means America won’t have it until much later—possibly spring or summer 2017?
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