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This fandom has always had a problem with tagging so that’s nothing new on Tumblr. And from what I’ve seen a nice portion of the fic out there says what ship it’s supporting. It’ll say “this is a CS story.” Or it’ll even say “CS at first, then goes SF/SQ.” And a lot of times it’s passive aggressive like, “This is predominately a CS story so if it’s not your thing, then you probably should’t read” because no one WANTS to be on the receiving end of hate.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think Rumple’s a bit like Burr. Not in the unsure, uncommitted, silent type, but rather that Rumple’s slowly being written as a straight up villain in our “history” even if it’s actually 1000x more complex than that. Simply by virtue of a few acts, both Rumple (“killing” Zelena, lying to Belle, willingly handing over SB to villains, trying to hurt Henry) and Burr (recommending moderation, refusing to help Hamilton with the Federalist papers, the advice he gives, and–of course–shooting Hamilton) our histories paint them as “bad guys” against the “good guys” even if there is something to recommend both of them.
Both, for example, are actually really good fathers. In history–and the musical touches on this–Burr was fiercely devoted to his daughter and makes sure she is educated in a more liberal manner: Greek, Latin, shooting, ect. In the first few seasons, Rumple’s raison d’etre was his own child.
Ironically, I think there’s quite a bit of Belle in Eliza with their endless patience, kindness, and ultimately forgiveness when their respective husbands break their hearts.
I’ll have to think about the others (though there’s a bit of the Lafayette swaggish nature in Hook)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t know if i have just never been as aware of a fandom as i have been of Ouat’s and their writers, but this show does that all the time in really rude and disrespectful ways. It is unimaginable to me what the writers are thinking when they do that.
I notice it in other shows but it’s extremely minor almost like the show is laughing WITH the fans as opposed to AT them. Like…”Arrow.” The characters in the show made a joke about a particularly unhelpful mask one of the main hero characters wear. The mask was designed poorly and can’t in anyway facilitate vigilante work. The fans all made of fun of it, and so the writers snuck in a line about how the mask needs updated to function better. Like the writers realized the mask was an error and something they could laugh at with the fans.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"With the show, you don’t get any categories so you get those clashes.
Yes exactly. As a die hard SF I can just skip CS stories. But I can’t just fast forward (well, during live viewing…) through the CS tv portions (because then I’d be left with only about 5 mins of “other” story….see what I did there?!)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I heard something interesting in a podcast today and thought I’d throw it out there as we’ve been discussing bullying. Apparently there isn’t too much bullying in fanfiction communities. Is this even true? Or are the sites just very strictly moderated? Given the highly personal nature of fanfiction, I would have thought attacks would be common.
I don’t write fanfic so I’m not sure. But I find it both easy and not easy to believe. If it’s a fic with a couple I don’t like or a storyline that’s not interesting, I just skip over it. I don’t feel the need to read it and comment on it if I know I’m not going to find it compelling anyway. But, on the other hand, I have heard of mean spirited reviews–tearing apart the work and the author just for the simple fact that they chose to write about X instead of Y.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Speaking of the fan entitlement conversation we’ve been having…
Rufeepeach had an interesting take in refute to a lot of the articles we’ve been linking.
Link to her tumblr for some language.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think when it comes to fandom, the important question to ask to understand it is why. Why do some people engage in a particular show in such a way yet other shows completely pass them by without batting an eyelid? Why does a show gain such a large fanbase yet another one doesn’t?
There are tons of reasons, and certainly the ones you pointed to. I think one of the biggest, for OUAT, is nostalgia. Not only for the Disney characters we all know and love but for “childhood,” even if we weren’t all children during Disney’s greatest eras (like the Disney Renaissance). Disney’s symbolic nature almost automatically invokes nostalgic feelings of childhood–of a time when we believed happy endings and magic not only *could* exist but *did* exist. Nostalgia is one of my favorite emotions because it’s caught between being good and bad. It’s a fond remembrance of days gone by but it’s also painful because you have to recognize that you’ll never get back to that state of being. Nostalgia literally, in Greek, means the pain from an old wound/longing for a “homecoming.” I think that’s what OUAT promised us at first: a chance to go back in time to watch these very classic, very old, very beloved tales (with a twist) that would allow us to escape back to childhood, to come “home” back to an age when we believed that magic was all around us, that happy endings could come to us, and that wishes do come true. That’s why S1 was so darn powerful–because we all recognized ourselves in the characters, be it the lonely orphan who was closed off after being rejected, the angry and scared woman who just wanted a happy ending, lovers separated by fate and circumstances, a father desperate to find his child….stories that were fantastical but grounded in human emotion and feelings that spoke to us with a promise that through magic, through faith, and through hope happy endings would come to them (and us by extension because of our ability to empathize with the characters).
He’s like marmite-
LOL–this is a British thing, yes? Americans don’t really have marmite here so I’ll take your word for it.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Really fantastic article by Rolling Stone out today.
Also a separate interview with Lin-Manuel!!
We’re only 11 days away from the Tony’s!!
ETA:
And now there’s a BTS video!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyrcY2X0RuQ
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"^ excellent points about football/soccer from Slurpeez and Rainbow
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If anyone does know about how fandom manifests itself in different countries and cultures, I’d be interested to hear about it. No doubt, each one would have its own quirks and bad behaviour.
I’d be interested to hear as well. I feel as though I only hear about instances of Americans in fandom culture acting out but that’s also likely due to the fact that I live in America.
That’s a pretty smooth piece. A bit too smooth in fact. It smacks of PR.
I also thought it was a bit too smooth. It reads as overly apologetic to the point of mockery–but I was worried I’m too much of a cynic. After months of not really engaging with fans on social media about Lexa’s death (his Twitter feed just looks like a very standard TV show runner–tweets about the show, pictures of the show, encouragement to watch the show) why feel the need to publish this?
We’ve been discussing articles that demonize fans for being bullies, but producers can be manipulative in hurtful ways too.
Oh yes. I think producers/showrunner can be worse! Yes, no one should send death threats or bully in general but 9/10 of the people who do that aren’t going to actually do anything. They, like the article I linked points out, think that their tweet will never be read, or they’re just getting caught up in the fervor of other fans. The showrunners and writers are actually in control of the media piece at the end of the day. They can insert anything they want into the narrative either to silence critics or respond to backlash. Everyone remember the silly “Maybe we should have called him Baelfire” line in 401? After meeting with tons of backlash for naming baby Snowflake Neal, A and E have Prince Charming utter that line without any context, without any surrounding dialogue to explain the awkward line. It was pretty clearly a sarcastic remark to the fandom. And that’s what producers can do; use the media piece as a weapon which, in turn, seems to only fuel more anger and more vitriol from the fans.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
