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Patience. Could I just ask where on Spoilertv does it say “Like a Prayer”? I just had a look to try and get it fixed but I can’t find it anywhere.
Thanks! See, now that I’ve asked I can’t find it. Is there an episode even called Like a Prayer? I could have sworn I was looking at Promo Photos for the first episode and it was called that. Now it’s a mystery lol. But thanks for clearing it up
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love". However, it is fair to compare OUAT to Buffy, and Joss never treated Buffy the way A&E are treating OUAT.
That is true; however Joss was also working in a time when social media was pretty nonexistent (the same can be said with Damon and Carlton with LOST–Twitter just starting to become a thing when the show went off air). When Buffy ended in 2003, Facebook was barely a thing; it was all about MySpace but that didn’t have the outreach that Twitter/Tumblr do. The social media aspect of this whole thing is really important to keep in mind. So we need a modern TV show run by a white male, with a large fanbase with easy access to social media.
I think the recent CW shows are the better example. Jason Rothenberg, who runs “The 100” for example, is actually the best example especially given the Clexa drama of this past season. The show/Jason made the decision to finally put together the two characters that the fans were rabid for (think SwanQueen but…surprisingly louder?) and then killed off one of the characters. It was met with…more than anger. Death threats to Jason were instant. The fans demanded–loudly and violently–that Lexa be brought back. Given that it was a LGBT relationship, the outcry was even more extreme that what we’re seeing right now with Robin, for example.
The difference, for me, is that Jason Rothenberg doesn’t treat his main character Clarke (someone very much in S1 Emma Swan mold) like A and E treat Emma Swan for S5. Putting her in a relationship didn’t dull her down, it didn’t make her passive (far from it). Her love interest and her romance didn’t become the center of the story; it was a part but the main story still remained Clarke, her quest for peace with a different set of people, and a rather scifi threat. And when there was outcry over Lexa’s death, Jason–from what I can tell, I admit to be a more passive fan, simply watching and discussing with others calmly and NO social interaction if I can help it–didn’t treat the fans like A and E treat theirs. He stuck to his guns but there wasn’t the same level of snark. And, like I said, the more important part…he didn’t change the show to feed into the fans OR change the overall narrative to get to a certain point. There was clearly a plan all along.
ETA
So Jason Rothenberg (of the aforementioned The 100) wrote a very long post about Lexa’s death, social outcry, and reactions. He makes some compelling points about the things we’re discussing. Even if you don’t watch the show, worth the read to get inside the head of another show runner and to help the discussion along.
https://medium.com/@jrothenberg/the-life-and-death-of-lexa-e461224be1db#.vr6h3on2a
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also! Did ya’ll see the Rent Ham4Ham with Adam Pascal??? That video brings me so much happiness.
omg YAAAAAAAS!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/30/fandom-is-broken Another really interesting article that is a sort of response to the AVClub article I linked a few days a go about fan entitlement. It hits on some of the points that @sciencevsmagic brought up.
I’ve read it a few times now and have a few bullet point thoughts.
–First, some of this is well argued and well reasoned. I especially liked the final minor bit about fan culture and religion and its intersection with social media. Part of my graduate work was on the nature of this and I think he’s spot on with how fan culture and religion both invite this sort of fervent fanaticism and devotion with a desire to defend it, uphold it, and–yes–worship it in an extreme outpouring, seen in some sort of loud action (war, bombings, tweets).
–However, I’m not sure I like some of his conclusions about the fans themselves. He mentions how some fans don’t understand the nature of narrative and drama. This bothers me a lot. Just because you’re a fan of something doesn’t mean that you’re not informed and intelligent on how things work. It doesn’t mean that you’re just a loud entitled fervent believer who is simply voicing what you want without being informed to how a thing functions. I mean, look at the people on this site, heck even just this thread. Do we sometimes giggle and goof off? Sure. Do we sometimes talk in Tumblr-esse? Yes. But do we have very enlightening, well reasoned, well argued, rational, intelligent conversations? Heck YES. The same can be said for the essays on Tumblr that point out all the misogyny/rape culture/racism/homophobia ect on the show. They aren’t the delusional rantings of angry fans. They come from college graduates, masters and PhD level writers and thinkers; they come from professional psychologists, philosophers, women’s and media critics. I don’t think fans should have the loudest voice in the room, but their voice shouldn’t be dismissed just because of some preconceived notion that they are ignorant for not being “on the inside.”
–Part of it sounds like the writer is the one who’s a bit bitter and reactionary. He’s the author who isnt’ happy to have his work critiqued by what he considers “angry fans” who, in his estimation, don’t understand the nature of narrative. This sort of goes back to Kiki’s tumblr post about the entitled white man in power.
Ok,those are the thoughts for now. I’ll wait for yours.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/30/fandom-is-broken
Another really interesting article that is a sort of response to the AVClub article I linked a few days a go about fan entitlement. It hits on some of the points that @sciencevsmagic brought up.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And so it begins!! #season6 pic.twitter.com/IV1kGm6cBF
— Brigitte Hales (@InkTankGirl) May 31, 2016
Sounds like the writers are back at it for “camp”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Nice interview!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Someone clear this up for me: is the first episode “Like a Prayer” or “Patience” because I keep seeing different ones. SpoilerTV has it as the former, but IMDB has it as the latter.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I didn’t know the ale house part about Tolkien — that’s awesome
“The Eagle and Child.” It’s in Oxford; he hung out with CS Lewis and GK Chesterton there. I’ve actually been there. I may have had a serious nerdy moment inside….
(none of you are surprised by this, I’m sure)
From that perspective, perhaps the comparison with a fiction author isn’t fair — there aren’t any ads in a novel, so that’s a different kind of “product” being sold, and perhaps a different relationship to the audience.
I don’t want to say more “pure” but it’s the only word coming to mind. The author and the work are being sold, as it should be. Though, I guess you can make a case for the agent, the publishing house, and other works by same house?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"this show has already a fandom that sees the show, they have around 8/9 million viewers and btw 1.3/1.5 demo ratings( 18-49),
mmmm. That’s not really a fandom. That demo means it’s a very low percent of the overall eyeballs that are watching whereas with OUAT almost the entire eyeball count is the demo. I honestly don’t think it’s going to mean anything. It’ll either even out OR it’ll hurt NCIS–people are more inclined to miss or DVR procedural because you don’t need to see every episode since there is no overarching mythology at play.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
