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Maybe it’s not that the half a heart wouldn’t have saved Hook, but it would have hurt Emma. (That’s what started to happen.)
So why is that Emma can’t live with a whole heart but Snow can? I mean the only conclusion I think I’d draw from that is that Hook and Emma aren’t as true love as Snow White (because apparently true love can be randomly quantified by some heretofore unexplained set of measurements???) If anyone could live with half a heart you’d think it’d be True Love Incarnate.
So if Pan had been given Robin’s heart, it would have killed Robin. Which fits the whole “life for a life” thing.
Maybe but it’s still a physical heart inside a nonphysical essence. I don’t know how that works at all let alone how Pan was going to be able to interact with the topside Real World.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t think it was Zelena or Pan or Rumple. I do think it was Hades but that it was just poorly written and left numerous gaps in the story. A lot of people think it might be Zeus who laid all the traps but I get the feeling that when we meet him in 521, we’re going to learn that Hades’ story of his brother is just Hades’ own perception based on his own sense of self-worth and ego. In other words, Hades thought he was more special than the “Lord of the Underworld” treatment he got, so it caused him to rationalize it as Zeus was the meaner brother who always took the nice toys.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Probably. they have to come up with some way to rationalize why Robin can’t come back to life if he is in fact dead for good next week
It could have to do with the Olympian Crystal, the Magical MacGufin of the week. Maybe the Olympian Crystal has the power to kill a God, so if Hades uses it to kill Robin, then Robin dies in a way that can’t be undone. Otherwise, you’d think Regina would try a heart split the moment he dies.
I think you’re right. We’ll have two deus ex machina type things–your earlier prediction that Zeus comes down to help Hook and then this Crystal thingy that will be used against both Robin and Hades
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In spite of the fact that I’ve really been enjoying Hades overall this arc, his motivations are as unclear as the red tinted sky in the Underworld. He didn’t want hope to spring amongst the souls because then they’d leave the UW but the second he gets TLK and his heart unfreezes, he leaves so who cares if there are souls there or not? The only explanation would be if he didn’t think he has TL with Zelena and needed a back up plan in case he was stuck in the UW for all of time, but then if he was really in doubt over that, then TLK shouldn’t have worked at all, right?
I’ve been stressing in a few place that he and Rumple are being heavily paralleled and I think it holds water–both men want it all–the girl, the true love, the power and maybe the show is driving home the fact that people can’t have both and that love is more vital–but unlike Rumple, who I’ve been sitting with for five years, I don’t quite get what Hades wants or what his inner damage is (he can talk about his brother Zeus but until we SEE it, he’s a rather unreliable narrator). Rumple wants power so he can control his own life because he’s lacked proper control stemming from his abandonment as a youngster. But Hades is still too intangible; he has a lot of present day screen time (in which his motivations get fleshed out but still rapidly change from week to week) but because we have no backstory for him that really gives a glance into his inner thoughts, it’s hard to know what’s really going on.
Was this why their names were written on the head-stones, to extend their stay in the UW from a plot-point POV?
And that’s the real answer, honestly. The writers needed the heroes to stay in the UW for the whole season so they had to find some way to extend it. I mean, they even gave Hades a line about “changing his mind” and deciding to keep everyone in the UW instead of getting everyone (just Regina?) out in 512. This tends to happen every arc, though. The story stalls and our characters end up standing around discussing one particular plot point (a la “the mushroom!”) and the story moves only by piecemeal until the big climax which seem cobbled together with glue and tape. (and again, I’ve really been enjoying Hades and even Zades this arc!)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Language warning but I had to share it
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"However, I suspect, to *try* to raise the stakes for life/death situations in the future, they will at least make it not repeatable. For example, if Zeus gives Hook some ambrosia or something, there will be some dialogue about that being the last fruit of the current crop, and it only blooms/fruits once every 100 years, or some other random fact/difficulty in repeating this come-back-from-death-feat in the future. At least I sincerely hope so.
Probably. they have to come up with some way to rationalize why Robin can’t come back to life if he is in fact dead for good next week
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"ETA: and this is to say nothing of the fact that when the right moment for a TLK did come along–at the elevator, meaning there was no agenda or goal at the end, unlike the hug-tackle previously with a specific goal on the line–the writers still didn’t use their ace in the hole (TLK) on CS. So, yes I think the writers were going for TL confirmation, but they did it in the weirdest way possible.
What would TLK done at that point? If I recall correctly TLK has been used to break curses. Death is not a curse, and Killian wasn’t even killed by magic (curse kind or otherwise), even if the events that lead him there were magic. If death was a curse then the Dark Curse is not even that severe, you may be able to sacrifice the thing you love most, then TLK it back to life… Instead of say, splitting hearts or something, apparently…
Easy: you handwave away this whole “his soul has been out of his body too long” thingy. I mean Pan’s entire body vanished but apparently you put a living heart into his soul/essence/thingy walking around the Underworld and we’re supposed to accept that it’ll allow him to go topside. It’s true love of the Savior–certain tropes and mythologies dictate that it’ll do quite a number on death so it’s still weird that in that moment they didn’t give a TLK in order to “undo death” by virtue of Savior true love.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love". “I can say that definitely it’s not the Brothers Grimm,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says.
Nooooo, REALLY?! Shocking. I, for one, am floored.
(omg, you two. We know they are Jekyll and Hyde. It’s been a very long time since this fandom didn’t piece together new characters from your outdoor filming)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Maybe. Snow and Emma were supposed to be in the EF for longer; we had King George’s plot in SB that went nowhere fast; FrankenWolf (though that’s clearly over now); and they could flesh out the Home Office a bit more with some clever writing since Peter is now dead and the Lost Boys are…somewhere
Just thought of something else repeated from an earlier Season. We know that Snow, Charming, Hook and Zelena accidentally get sucked into a portal to some other realm, and have to return. This sounds a lot like Season 2A in itself, but condensed into two episodes.
I suddenly have this image of S6 ending (with a promised S7) with someone casting the Dark Curse and reverting everyone back to S1 status and someone (not Emma?) having to break the curse all over again (the twist is that this time, Regina is cursed as well and Rumple has his memories and once the curse breaks in 7A, the final battle happens with everyone vs Rumple)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think you’re right WickedRegal – there’s no way the funeral can be for Robin given Regina’s composure in that scene. Unfortunately, I think you, RG, and others are right that Robin will still die – which I’m extremely unhappy about. Does this mean he won’t even be given the usual treatment of having his farewell episode focused on him in the flashback, since that seems to be about Hades and Zeus?
I really hope that we get a Robin flashback, whether or not he dies. They promised us more backstory for him, in particular to explain why Robin claims he has a dark past.
I fear we may never get this. I don’t think they had a plan when they wrote Robin with a “dark” past; maybe something they wanted to get to someday, but then they decided that killing him would be “better” (easier?)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
