Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Belle is his “flicker of light amidst an ocean of darkness” and he’ll realise if he doesn’t change for the better, that light is going to be snuffed out.
That’s a good point. So far no one has gone from light to darkness because of Rumple. Cora was already self centered and selfish; Bae managed to keep himself on the right side of the line. Lacey gave in, I guess, but she was already straddling the line. If Lacey is Belle without the brakes, then it would be very easy for Belle to move over to Lacey-territory with little provocation.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yeaaaaah, still not convincing me that it’s Mulan and Dorothy, guys. That final pic Matt just posted…hm.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"“People called me Bae before it was cool!”
LOL
Also!
Lily’s Review!!!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Where the flashbacks fit in the timeline- Obviously it is pre-Skin Deep and the mentions of Belle’s mother seems to suggest it is pre-Frozen flashback but the events of the Frozen flashback seem at odds with this flashback due to Belle’s behaviour (she was more childlike in the Frozen flashback) and the fact that if Belle was engaged during the events of the Frozen flashback then how was she able to sneak out the castle and be gone for a while before anyone noticed?
Yeah I was confused as well. Because the end of the Frozen flashback has Maurice sending out a message for Rumple to come to them, doesn’t it? Which would mean that it’s closer to Skin Deep than this episode.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"We got a 1.1 demo, so our demo remains steady. Overall eyeballs have slightly dropped from 3.78 to 3.70. Interestingly enough, half hour ratings were 1.2/1.1.
We probably found our floor at a 1.0 then.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I have a lot of thoughts so this might be jumbled but here goes.
I do tend to think that morality is relative. And maybe it should not be, but it is. Our world isn’t black and white, it’s grey. Anything you can call objective evil can be argued (apart from rape which is, IMO, the only true objective evil). Even murder gets rationalized with the death penalty, war, and in the case of the show, protecting someone (ie: Emma and Henry).
This is a show that humanized the Evil Queen by making her an abused child who held her first love in her arms while her mother crushed his heart; this is a show that turned Rumplestiltskin from a wicked imp into a regretful father; who made the Wicked Witch an abandoned and unlovable child; who will make the Lord of the Underworld a brother maligned with a frozen heart. This is a show that, for all its faults (and goodness knows I have no issue in pointing them out) has maintained that there is grey in the world; indeed, insisting that labels like heroes and villains are flexible and change based on, simply, who is telling the story. Let’s be clear: some of what Rumple is saying in this episode is hard to hear. He’s not giving way in his assertion that the darkness is a part of him, that it can be used to protect and save everyone and, simultaneously, help give Belle the kind of life they both want. Rumple’s snark comes out in full force when he questions Belle’s decision to break and enter Gaston’s locker in order to figure out a way to defeat the rogue hunter. If this is acceptable then why not other times when magic is handy to have around? Why is it that Belle is the one who gets to decide when the ends justify the means? Is it simply because her body count is much lower than Rumple’s? How about all the times when Rumple’s magic saved the pair of them (and more!) from utter disaster or destruction? If “Devil’s Due” refocuses Rumple’s character as the father who will do anything–anything, mind you–to protect those he loves, then this episode is about unfocusing Belle’s character, challenging her core and making her (and us) question whether or not she should bend to what it is Rumple is saying
But should that mean that Belle is ready to accept Rumple’s lifestyle and devil-may-care (pun intended) attitude toward Dark Magic? Well, I don’t know. Belle, if that hug and sorrow at the end are any indication, is resigned to the fact that Rumple was right, she was wrong and now she has to live with what she’s done to her former boyfriend/fiance. And yes, to an extent, that certainly is true and it would be interesting to watch her inner turmoil over damning Gaston to the River. There is, however, an issue that I hope (oh dear, that’s contraband) Belle raises with her erstwhile husband: Rumple doesn’t just use the darkness in the heat of the moment to protect those he loves! He uses it when he needs something, when it suits his (read: non-family oriented) ends. And this is really the problem with Rumple as a whole. His justification is always going to be that he’s protecting his family, be it Baelfire or Belle and the new baby, but he said it best last week, “I love this dagger.” He can’t let go of that enchanted object, of the feeling of power and control he has over his own life that the dagger gives to him. So whether it be for his family or not, Rumple still makes bad choices and uses dark magic for nefarious and decidedly non-light reasons. Rumple’s line that he wants to be the man who can use darkness for light “but not today” speaks volumes. When push comes to shove, he’ll take the road he wants to take, consequences be damned. Gaston’s end is an honest accident and Belle probably could have helped him move on by using her heroic virtues of compassion and forgiveness, but instead her lasting impression is not to refocus her own character by these high ideals but to accept Rumple’s own relative morality, to bend to the idea that “darkness always wins.” There is an in-between, Belle dear. We often call it a grey area and I bet, if you tried really hard, you could see it; sort of like how you saw the man beneath the beast and loved both at the same time. Understanding that morals are relative doesn’t mean you can’t strive toward those high ideals of heroism
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"How could they share true love’s kiss. That just seems ridiculously fast, even for ouat.
Well apparently PapaJones had a TLK with a nurse who took care of him when he fell under a sleeping curse so…stranger things, I guess.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"1) Ruby and Dorothy are totally the LGBT ship and I’ll put down 10 cookies that “Ruby Slippers” is the writers attempt to name the ship
2) Zelena wut even is your hat
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Early HH numbers are in for 5×17 “Her Handsome Hero”
the deteriorating combination of “Once Upon a Time” (#3: 2.4/ 4)
Not quite sure how this will shake out in the demo as of yet. Those number should be out in about an hour or so. Worth noting at least that the HH numbers didn’t rise from last week. We’ll see how that plays out.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"RG, what is your new avatar? It think this is the first one I don’t recognize.
Ichabod Crane and Abbie Mills from “Sleepy Hollow”
the show pretty much broke my heart and now I’m in classic TV-viewer-angst territory.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
