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Worst episodes for season 2 for me: Child of the moon, Into the Deep, The Cricket Game, Tiny (gosh tiny was kinda bad, although I guess original), The Queen is Dead (not sure why I din’t like this one but I remember not liking it), and The Evil Queen.
A lot of “stall” episodes. In other words, the episode or episodes that came right after those were far more important but to stretch the narrative to 22 episodes per season, they had to insert episodes that barely moved the plot forward.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wish we had seen more of it, honestly, but one of the threads that made 5A interesting was the relationship between David and Arthur.
100% agree. I thought Siege Perilous was actually a good set up episode for those two. And then they lost all my good will the very next week with Arthur and his magical mind rape.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Tiny and The Evil Queen were worse
I enjoyed the non-Tiny bits of “Tiny” (the airport scenes mostly)
The Evil Queen never bothered me much. It just confirmed, for me, that Regina really was an absolutely horrid villain.
SB and T set up a lot of things and then never really dealt with them–like Tamara and the Dragon.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Selfless, Brave and True
Congrats. You might be the only person in the entire fandom who doesn’t rank SB and T down towards the very bottom of the entire series. Though, looking back it wasn’t as bad some other episodes. It was once my #1 least favorite episode; now it’s like…5 o r 6?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"She just played Erica in Heroes Reborn
Oh! So that’s why she looks familiar. For those unfamiliar, here’s a shot of her as Erica:
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A male friendship that has been portrayed on the show albeit in not much detail is that of Pan and Felix. It was more of a background friendship but it was honest and genuine because it enabled Pan to use Felix’s heart to cast the dark curse and even gave Pan the line “love doesn’t have to be about romance or family. It can be loyalty and friendship” or something along those lines.
I never really saw Pan and Felix having a mutual friendship. Felix was clearly loyal, but Pan is basically a cult leader. When your identity has been so robbed or changed by the presence of a charismatic cult leader persona, you’ll do anything. Look at Jonestown. Look at Waco. That’s what cult leaders are capable of. Even the young lost boy Regina and Emma caught and tried to tempt with the bar of chocolate had the same reaction as Felix: unwavering loyalty. Pan never asked about that boy, never cared. He just needed his followers.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If they are indeed so concerned about the “homoerotic” overtones of any portrayals of male intimacy that they are actively refusing to depict examples of male friendship, that’s just one pitiful commentary on the state of things.
We talk, sometimes, about how OUAT exists as part of a culture–Hollywood. It’s its own system and society. And like any good society it has rules, roles people play, and ways in which gender is performed.
While Hollywood is progressing, it is still more or less an old-white-heterosexual-boys club. This is why anytime something really big happens to a woman (like being made head of a studio or getting to direct a huge sci-fi (read: associated mainly with men) movie), everyone talks about it as if it’s a BIG DEAL. Example: there was an article a month or two back about a woman directing some huge blockbuster sci-fi film. The actual title of the article was shock about how a woman would be directing this film.
Part of this society is that men are men. They are tough, strong, take care of the women, and their relationships with other men are strictly of a handshake-drink-beers kind. Men can be friendly with one another but they don’t form the sort of close bonds that women (the fairer and far more emotionally driven sex) form. Which is absolutely ludercrious in real life, like @nevermore pointed out with Kitsowitz.
My point is that A and E fall into a lot of the same traps of storyteling that media has been stuck in for a long time. And that’s simply because they live in a culture that is long standing and holds on to their own mores rather fiercely. Somehow, someway, having two men in a close friendship invites homosexuality and there’s some sort of giant red flag that goes up. Think about how people discuss Frodo and Samwise, for instance.
think there is a straightfoward and obvious reason why there aren’t more male relationships or bromances portrayed on the show; it’s because the show isn’t as focused around men as it is women
Sure but they don’t exactly do a bang up job with the women any more either. And like @MatthewPaul said, look at the fandom. Our fandom is many things but quiet isn’t one of them. There are no outwardly loud, passionate gay ships. If there were, we would have heard about them. So why the lack of male-male pairings? Because the writers go to a lot of lengths to keep the men apart, never forming any sort of bond, and always talking about or having their plot revolve around their heterosexual relationships.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also, definitely not Meg like @Slurpeez thought. Older than Emma; I’m going with a Persephone/Demeter mix, still.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree with Slurpeez that romantic relationships are driving the story now instead of friendship or family, but I can’t help but wonder if there isn’t another reason we don’t see male-male friendships on the show. Could it be fear that such a thing would cause the male equivalent of SQ? The writers go to rather extraordinary lengths to prevent males from interacting on the show unless it’s 1) about their female entanglements or b) the two men are enemies.
They are definitely tons (tons) of buddy-buddy shows out there. But off the top of my head, I can’t think of a modern TV version that is set in a fantasy/sci-fi situation. Most of the time it’s a male-female dynamic (Doctor Who; Orphan Black) or the focus is on two females (The 100 or, lol, Orphan Black for instance). I guess the closest are Dean and Castiel from Supernatural, but…well, see below.
Do the writers fear some sort of fandom homoerotic ramifications? I mean, it’s not uncommon. For example, the aforementioned Dean and Castiel are probably *the* biggest ship in internet fan culture. And the show runners over and over say that they are more like brothers but that doesn’t stop the internet (nothing can stop the internet). The same can be said of JohnLock or on the female side, our own SwanQueen or something like Clexa.
I’m not openly accusing the writers of anything at this point, just spitballing ideas. Are they scared of how the fandom/internet would take two men being close, like the show does often portray women to varying degrees of success? And what does that say about their own gender politics?
And on the flip side, we know that they laid some ground work for an LGBT relationship in this past arc, presumably with Mulan. Is this an appeasement for the LGBT community, who are *quite* vocal? Writers won’t give them canon-Swen so they give them Mulan and (insert your choice of female here) for (presumably) one episode? Killing two birds with one stone: answer for the criticism that the show has never shown an LGBT love story on a show that likes to believe it is all about love AND appease one section of the fandom? But why not do the same for men?
I’m rambling now because I’m honestly just talking this out in my head so I’ll just hit submit and see what you guys think.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Here we go!
–Sam!
–Very pregnant Ana
–Very young Bonnie
–“I have to go to Ohio” (as someone from Ohio, I’m sorry)
–Ana and Wes having the same problems. Still think they might be Mother/Son. Not giving up that ghost, @Phee!
–“That’s my favorite throw pillow.” Poor Oliver!
–“She hates us.” “Good. The feeling is mutual”
–Tiger Mom speaking up
–Ana’s courtroom coat is FIERCE
–LOL Frank was always Frank; but slightly more of a screw up? (Assistant? Secretary? Really)
–“You’re fired”
–Okay, here’s my theory: Ana had a baby pre-Sam. That baby (she named Christophe) is Wes. The new baby, the one she’s pregnant with in the flashbacks, is dead.
–Bonnie was in therapy with Sam because Ana suggested it. Well, there’s more to why Bonnie is so protective and loyal.
–Bonnie looks better with longer hair.
–Oh they made me feel bad for Asher
–I refuse to have happy feelings for Sam. He was a meanie!
–“Get over yourself and do your job!”
–“How could you just leave him in there?”
–“Your boss was shot….and it may seem unrelated to you…” LOL, no. Wes shot Ana. Irony
–What’s this meeting? What’s happening? What?
–“We all need therapy” “No we don’t. We gots each other” D’awwwwww!
–“You’re not my boyfriend.” “Wut” I hate myself for liking Flaurel. But I do.
–Wes has the paperwork from the meeting??
–Oh dear. I’m having some sort of feelings.
–“I killed Lila” (RG had a really positive reaction to this moment which is deeply disturbing and she hates herself a lot)
–Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
