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t’s like in the Harry Potter books: it was Snape’s love for Lily that gave him purpose, but it was his hatred of Voldemort that gave him the burning strength to see his purpose through. (Or something like that. Snape is a complex character. But hatred was definitely part of him.)
That’s a pretty good analogy. Snape loved Lily but Voldemort killed her. It was his hatred for that act and the person behind it that gave Snape a purpose. It wasn’t because he cared for Lily’s child (certainly not!) but out of that hatred for killing the thing Snape loved most.
Since Nealfire’s death didn’t do it, it would have to be Belle’s death (but, knowing this show) after she gave birth to Rumple’s child. Thus his raison d’etre becomes fiercely giving his new child the life he couldn’t give Bae and was denied to Belle because of him.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Okay, serious time.
I would try to avoid brushing the entire CS fandom with one brush. Like most things, it’s probably more complicated (except Zumpie who is just…full of special). I have no doubt that there are people who ship both CS and think 50SOG is amazing. But I’m not sure there’s a 100% direct correlation. There are probably SFers who think 50SOG is good; and Swen; and OQers; and every other shipper out there, not even just localized to the OUAT fandom. Just as I’m sure there are CSers who find 50SOG as appalling as I do.
I think it’s a far larger problem. Namely education and ideas. This isn’t to say that CSers are stupid or morons or lack the kind of education that more erudite SFers have or anything. From what I can tell, there are two types of CSers: the young ones who, like a lot of young people, see Colin-as-Hook as brooding, sexy, dangerous, and thus desirable. I’m sure many of us went through a “bad boy” phase where the guy in the leather was the hottest thing in the room (hello, Gerard Way, singer of sad songs that speak to my soul).
The others are older (45+) women, most of whom are married and have children, who find Colin-as-Hook spicy, adventurous, and (without trying to psychoanalyze an entire subset of a fandom without having spoken to many of them–though we did have several here for years) are quite content in their lives, which are of the ordinary (but no less extraordinary) variety. Hook is a fantasy that breaks from the everyday. Again, I don’t want to lump them all together, but it’s the classic “housewife” trope, without all of them being actual housewives, if that makes sense. Think Twilight Moms who found Edward Cullen/Robert Pattinson the best things since sliced bread.
It’s important to remember that while feminism, feminist critique and media critique are nothing *new* the at-your-fingertips-availability of it–especially via social media–is. The CS fans, from what I personally can discern are either too young to have been introduced to these big idea of rape culture, feminism in media, ect OR older to the point that it wasn’t part of curriculum offered at college–women’s studies and media studies being not exactly traditional.
Once again, I’m not trying to paint in one stroke. There are CSers, of course, who do have advanced degrees, know the same rhetoric I know, read the same sort of methodology, but for whatever reason, read the text differently. But from inside the fandom, the most vocal CSers, seem to fall into those two camps.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Here is the next–and probably last–question :
What can the writers do to get back Rumple back on a track that you personally feel is more palatable?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The overall story is that the fandom treats each other and the actors appallingly. From harassing the actors significant others to sending death threats to fellow fans who disagree on ships and characters to that time SQ blogs got hacked and so on…
As I have said before, the fandom is a cesspool of stupid.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"And referred to MRJ as ouat’s “ugly monster”
I wish that was the worse of what was tweeted to MRJ during his tenure.
Is Nimue dead? I actually wouldn’t have minded seeing that relationship between her and Merlin pan out into something again. I liked them.
And the award for the non-sequitur of the day goes to….
Also, yes. She’s dead. Hence how the DO curse got passed. Also. Merlin is dead.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Colifer is the real-life shipping of Colin and Jennifer Morrison. It’s…intense. And it tends to involve a lot of subtext of interviews, BTS photos, and secret meetings between the two. It also involves treating Helen (Colin’s real life wife) horribly. The things said/tweeted/ect about her, to her, is well horrible.
Remilie is basically the same thing but with Robert Carlyle and Emilie de Ravin.
Zumpie. Oh. How to describe Zumpie? I want to believe that Zumpie is a troll who is getting his jollies by plaguing the fandom but there’s almost something too honest in Zumpie’s vitriol. Zumpie hates (not a strong enough word) Neal. I mean…LOATHES. With the fire of a thousand suns. Zumpie began the tradition of calling him Bagelfire and referring to him as just Bagel. Go to any OUAT article on TVLine or EW and scroll through the comments. Trust me, you’ll see Zumpie. Zumpie single-handedly will tear apart any person who dares to say that they don’t like Hook, calling into question their tastes and intellect. Zumpie’s Tumblr is a manefesto to terrifying logic and thought and absolute complete hatred to SF/SQ and adoration to Colin and CS. Zumpie will go on to other non-CS tumblrs and send hate (from “you suck!” to “go kill yourself”), co-opt the appropriately tagged (cause you ALWAYS tag your hate on Tumblr) posts and turn them into diatribes about how Hook is a god and we should be so grateful for his presence on us mere mortals. I mean…@rainbow could give some more colorful examples because any time I see Zumpie commenting on an article, I flee before I get sucked into that web.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Wow, though. There must be something really wrong — like, psychologically wrong — with this fandom. Can people really not differentiate between a fictional character and an actor impersonating them? I mean, that’s a bit… dellusional, right?
Oh you sweet summer child.
Have you been introduced to Colifer and long-suffering Helen?
Or Remilie?
Or….really anything that was tweeted to MRJ during his time on OUAT. (AKA: Zumpie)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Baby Regina and Baby Zelena are sorta adorable. That pic is just beginning for a modern AU fan fic
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I didn’t even know she deleted her twitter. That’s sad if it was motivated by the fan base.
It was the same with Meghan (Ruby) a few years back.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
