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For some reason I can buy Cruella DE VIL being Hades’s side chick.
I assume Cruella is bored out of her mind in Hades
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It took me awhile, but I found it. I thought it was in the SF thread, and it was
Credit to @Jiminy’sJournal
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Here’s my question. With the death of Baelfire and Belle’s lack of screentime, is it possible that the writers aren’t necessarily making Rumple be evil for the sake of evil, but they’re just not taking the time to explore his motivations or reasoning beyond what is needed for the plot?
In short: yes.
Somewhere in the history of the show, the writers became more concerned with plot rather than character. This is why, IMO, we see more lands, villains, randomly inserted characters, prophecies, and magical mcguffins, but rarely see the characters talking about anything outside the plot (unless it’s our required Snow-Gives-A-Hope-Speech). The psychology of the characters, their motivations and agendas, was simplified to basic terms in order to give us more plot.
Rumple became : power mad (took out: son, self-loathing, and abandonment issues)
Regina became: redeemed but snarky (took out: self-confidence issues, broken heart, and struggle to find a family that accepts her)
Emma became: has walls (took out motherhood, orphan–except when it relates to her walls that only Hook can knock down, friendships with other women, bail bondsperson concerned with law and justice)
Snow became: has hope (took out survival skills–and bizarrely added baby snatching)
Charming became: well, honestly I don’t know because he’s about as bland as white paint. The most color they’ve given him in recent seasons was that he didn’t want to be remembered only for waking up a princess thirty years prior. He could have been a fairly interesting deconstruction of the White Knight or Soldier trope but his main job is to simply exist and occasionally say a line.
Belle became: arm candy + Google (took out complicated relationship with father, relationships with other women, and trying to build a life independent of everyone else)
Henry became: support beam for mothers (I guess you can argue that Henry was always that for his two mothers, but one would think that as the kid aged you’d give him more flavor. Even his tenure as the Author was brief and ended with a literal pen snap)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Gentle Reminder that Neal Cassidy never talked down to or patronized Emma for how she felt, even when those feelings were hard for both.
#NealCassidyIsStillBetterThanYou
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Anyway, I’d not take any social media commentary as a representation of anyone’s true feelings — this isn’t entertainment for them, it’s their jobs, and like the rest of us, they probably have to show loyalty to the organization that employs them.
Yeah this is really apparent a lot of times in JMo. Some interviews she’s all but hanging off of Colin and talking about CS gives her *such googly eyes* and it seems very apparent that she’s towing the party line. She’s selling what ABC/A and E have told her she needs to sell. There was one interview in S3B where it was almost maniacal and she seemed almost drugged.
But then there are times when she’s calmer and more focused, say a smaller panel or interview, and she talks more about Neal and how he was absolutely a true love for Emma and it seems like her ABC provided Kool-Aid wore off for a bit.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oh, I didn’t know that. I thought she was a consultant or something.
Didn’t know that either. So that makes my soul hurt less.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"She even contributed to Jessica Jones according to her, which is a mirror to what OUAT does wrong.
Yeah that hurts my soul.
I’ve often wondered if Jane being unhappy or at least disinterested in OUAT is the reason why she doesn’t write as much as she did
Episodes penned by Jane (either alone or with another person)
S1: 6
S2: 5
S3: 3
S4: 4
S5 (so far): 3 (not including 520 probably being hers)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t remember them saying that. But the hat was found in the Sorcerer’s Mansion which was rented (?) to Yensid. I think it just goes to show that the writers really didn’t know what they were doing with that whole plot line. Because Merlin would have still been stuck in his tree so…like how does he have a giant house that appeared in the second curse with the hat…? I don’t know.
Actually, Yensid was listed as the landowner of the Apprentice’s house, not the Sorcerer’s Mansion.
Ah, yes. You’re right. Though, we’re still left with the question of why Merlin had a house in the second curse when not the first–both times he was SticksVille
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The fact that Jane–or really any women writers on OUAT–haven’t, as @Nevermore put it, “taken the lot of them by the scruff of the neck and set them straight about how CS is coming off” bothers me quite a bit.
I take one of two things from it. Either A) they don’t want to lose their jobs by trying to course correct the show runners (seems likely given how Hollywood is a Boys Town anyway, that is only recently beginning to really change) OR B) they are of the opinion that media and society have no intersection. I find the latter incredibly difficult to believe since BtVS and BSG were both *very much* about society and social values, culture and cultural values, and even the clash between different cultures/societies.
For Jane to work on a show that think S3B-present day Emma Swan can fit with the likes of “strong women” Buffy/ Willow and Starbuck/President Roslin is…oh, baffling to say the least.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t get this Jane CS thing you’re talking about, from what I recall Jane barely wrote CS episodes and the scenes in the episode she wrote weren’t that terrible. There was the scene that he regretted the way he treated Rumple, which would have been great if he acted upon his regret. And the scene where he gave her the ring, which could have been great if the following episode didn’t tell us his rings are from people he killed (not written by Jane).
She wrote the CS scenes in Tallahassee; the other writer took the SF ones.
But other than that, it’s not that she necessarily writes the worst of the CS stuff, but her episodes in the past few years haven’t been Skin Deep worthy.
Like Jo already said, Warlord Bo Peep was fairly horrible.
I think with Jane, it’s more that if she’s voicing any opposition to what is happening in the writers room (and it never seems like she is based on some tweets and such) then it’s getting drowned out. I mean that fact that she didn’t turn to A and E and say, “Guys. This finale thing you’re trying to do…? Yeah, Joss did it already and he did it 100x better.” Or saying, “DO Clippy Rumple with hidden agendas plaguing someone with mixed morality? Would you like him to wear a red dress?” Or even just Jane trying to explain exactly why Spuffy was a better story because of how Buffy and Spike approached things during their relationship (ie: they both knew it was emotionally destructive) and how A and E are going down the opposite path with CS.
I guess to put it more succinctly: her silence speaks volumes (though I grant there’s only so much she can actually do not being the creator)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
