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OUAT will likely have to air an episode on Easter Sunday this year, the very week after. That could equal two weeks in a row of the show taking noticeable blows. 514 and 515 would be the episodes under effect, for the record.
And those episodes (3 and 4) in an arc are typically when we begin a slow tick down anyway. Losing a point, usually. New series low seems probable. Maybe a 1.2? Even lower if FOX hypes this musical enough.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"^ Interesting. Remember a few years ago when the History Channel did that huge “Bible” saga and it got *huge mind melting* ratings? It might not do as well as that but I think it’s gonna serve us a blow.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If anyone wants to relive the songs with video but can’t afford to download and buy the show, then I highly recommend THIS channel which has been religiously uploading all the songs (even the reprisals)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Like if a show pisses you off so much, why spend the selective amount of time you have to spend on tv watching OUAT when there are better shows out there?
Watching OUAT doesn’t mean I don’t watch better TV (several people here will tell you that my TV watching is extensive to the point of possible insanity)…OUAT is one hour, one day a week. Sunday 8pm is rather sparse as is so it’s not like live watching OUAT is keeping me from better narratives. So your argument here holds no water.
In other news….
I got so many feels from Galavant’s finale last night. Especially about our wonderful (if sad and dead) ship. This is the “happily ever after” song for Galabella! SF feels, no? “Journey done” “We’re home.” And where did they end up? In a house by the beach.
That’s right. Gal and Izzy found Tallahassee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujoWeZc6MQI
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also, just to point out that being a critic of a show doesn’t mean that I occasionally don’t find something good in the now rebooted, re imagined show.
I enjoyed episodes like The Dark Swan, Shattered Sight, Sympathy for the De Vil, Operation Mongoose pt1 and said so, vocally. Bobby’s performance is still mesmerizing, even if his character has become a shadow of its former self. I was very excited with the idea of Emma’s katabasis (I’m a sucker for the heroes journey) and wrote extensively on what that would mean for her from a mythological stand point, no criticism, just analysis. I still love talking about all manner of TV here with this community-and in recent years we’ve had more other TV show threads pop up because while many of us don’t particularly like the trend of OUAT as of late, we all still like each other and like discussing things together. I may have disliked 5A quite a bit, but I thought 4B was more organic and at least provided more commentary on the ONCEiverse than the seasons previous.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It was a rare moment where a network gave the traditional ratings standards the middle finger, and gave the show another chance. I will keep my fingers crossed for another surprise renewal, but if this is truly the end, I’ll always be incredibly thankful for all the joy this show has given me:
THIS. Well said.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree that it’s sad to see a thread that was once so positive and full of hope this dismal though :/
This thread is plenty positive. We talk about what we want to talk about. We analyze the show, we analyze the ships, we analyze media and culture and literature and art. Sometimes we post gifs of Mikey. Sometimes we post gifs of SF. Sometimes we post SF videos. Sometimes we have a “remember when…” moment. Sometimes we chat about getting together for weekends. For the regulars, that’s positive. That’s normal. That’s what happens after being together for 2-5 years. It seems dismal to those who don’t frequent this site/this thread but we’re having a free exchange of ideas and doing real critical analysis. What’s more positive and pedagogical than that?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I just don’t understand why you guys still watch the show if you hate it so much. I’ve never seen so much negativity in a forum about a show that we all still watch
I despise questions/arguments like this. I have had to rationalize and explain it so many times that I think my words are becoming nonsensical. We watch because we’re allowed to; it is as simple as that. Because I was so invested in this show that I volunteered to run a forum site and co-host a podcast about it. Because critical analysis of media isn’t just praising a show and saying how great it is; it’s dissecting the piece of media and reflecting on how it holds up a mirror to culture. It’s because I can use OUAT and their increasingly disturbing misogynistic, racist, homophobic, ageist, classist, narrative to point out the flaws in our society and how women are treated, how men are treated, how minorities are treated, ect. Enjoying a show doesn’t mean you get to ignore all the flaws and messages/morals.
I watch because I’m allowed to. I analyze it because I’m allowed to. I point out the flaws because I’m allowed to. You do not need a positive reason to watch a TV show or to reflect on media.
I also really resent the implication that we’re “haters.” We’re not. We’re disappointed. We’re allowed to be.
You’ve never seen so much negativity? Please. We’re one of the most level headed forum sites for this show, largely because of the rules Daniel put into place and that I and Matt enforce with an iron fist. This site does have a pro-SF bent, but that’s just because everywhere else was so anti-SF that this place felt like a refugee camp. We don’t allow ship wars; we don’t allow name calling; we don’t allow anything lewd or crude. We don’t allow actual fighting. I have been on forum sites that do that–sites that have a free for all with flame wars and actual honest to god boldface capital letter screaming matches. Also, how much time do you spend in the OUAT fandom? Cause it’s nothing but negativity. A veritable cesspool of stupid. Everyone is fighting with each other out there in the wilds of Tumblr and Twiter. Matt and I manage to keep it mostly locked out there and not bring it in here.
I really and truly resent the implication that because we’re disillusioned, disappointed or even angry with the show, we’re not allowed to watch or discuss or analyze. Not how critical analysis works or how the human mind should ever work.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t think it’s a matter of not wanting MRJ. He’s clearly still somewhat close to several of the cast members–like Sean and Colin. And both MRJ and A/E have said that they would all love to work together (though, one wonders how much of that was for the benefit of social media, but I digress). I think A and E knew that they couldn’t keep Neal around and go in the CS direction and in the direction of the rebooted show that emphasized romantic love over family stories. They couldn’t think of a way to have Neal be a father to Henry and a son to Rumple and a friend to Emma within the confines of this new romantic-love show.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"They said that they started filming Crocodile and liked Colin and wanted to keep him on. Colin has said similar things as well. Hook could have possibly been in other flashbacks, but he was never supposed to interact with the present day characters.
Not even just the writers, but really ABC. They kept insisting that the writers find a way to insert Hook into more scenes. ABC sees the dailies, they make suggestions based on money and the business side of TV which mostly assumes that horrible cliche (that is sadly often true) that “sex sells.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
