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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
They may not believe that their fans are idiots, but they sure as heck hope that we have amnesia or are unconcerned with tiny details or that we will be willing to swallow whatever magic handwave/mcguffin they present for why X is suddenly different than it was a season ago. The fact that they haven’t figured out that we are obsessive fans with an eye for tiny little details is disturbing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I would agree that “ships” is more loaded term because we do tend to refer to romantic liaisons with it and those liaisons are either RIGHT or WRONG, but it’s still not on the up and up to say that A and E don’t create those pairings or don’t manipulate the audience into “telling” us how to feel with some of the ships. They wrote Snowing in a way that you’re *supposed* be rooting for them and believe that they really are true love (staying with S1 Snowing at any rate). They wrote OQ, with its magical true love pixie dust thus telling the audience up front that this ship was going to sail into Forever Land, so that people would support that ship.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love""He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
I like to pretend that this is when the show really ended.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But they arenât keeping them together because fans have shipped snowing. You even say snowing ainât that popular anymore. They are keeping them together because they strongly believe in the central theme of the show and two that started it all.
But that’s not what I’m arguing. Nor what A and E said. They said that they don’t create/write ships. Yes, they do! If they only put ships together because they were popular then SQ would have had magical sex every episode since the Pilot. But for them to say “we don’t create ships” is point blank wrong. Ships = relationships. They write relationships and specifically they write romantic relationships with more and more increasing frequency, which was what A and E were arguing against in this article.
They write relationships that almost never break up. That stay in one (pretty, under 30, white, heterosexual) mold–the one exception is really Rumbelle and that is *only* because Skin Deep caused shock waves through the fandom. It was the episode that changed a lot of this OUAT fan culture. The writers wrote it without really planning to do much seriously with it. But then–guess what–they did do something serious (and seriously wrong) with it because of the popularity. So I grant it’s a mixed bag of keeping ships together because of popularity, but to say that they flat out don’t write ships is just…wrong.
To me thatâs just bad writing, as opposed to trying to appease SQ shippers. But who knows.
Those two aren’t mutually exclusive. There is a very popular and pretty important belief in TV writing: show don’t tell. A and E *tell* OQ or CS by way of the characters constant reaffirmation for their love for their romantic partner or by way of kisses and special hugs. But they keep showing something different, like Regina and Emma being the only two who “get” each other or trust each other with their various missions. They even then went and paralleled Emma saving Regina from the Darkness with Guinevere saving Lance from the Darkness in the Pit of Eternal Goo. The baiting is all over the place all while they try to sell the “official” canon love story of OQ and CS. But bad writing and baiting are not mutually exclusive.
But itâs gotten too plot heavy and characters and relationships we used to love are getting lost and muddled. Once an end date is given, I sincerely hope they can slow things down, and just go back to having the characters interact with each other as they should be, not as the plot dictates.
Sure, we agree on what we hope. But I also learned that #hope is a dangerous thing with this show because, invariably, it all gets dashed to bits.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yeah I kinda think Emilie might be projecting her own desires on to the character. Because goodness knows Belle hasn’t been given nearly enough screen time or development for us to accurately say that what EdR is claiming is true.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Or should I say, rooting for anyone to stay together. They are writing it as they see fit.
Disagree. There have been plenty of instances in interviews where they’ve said that the end of Snowing would be the end of hope (so they’ll never split them up) or that CS has “been through so much” but they hope love conquers all or that Regina deserves some happiness and Robin gives it to her. And so on and so forth.
I actually would argue that the Regina and Robin story line got zero time this past half season. Regina was just kind of there to help here and there. And Robin did literally nothing.
Well I agree that Robin did nothing, but Regina’s storyline become the baited SQ one because at the end of the day, SQ is more popular in fandom than OQ. Emma giving Regina the dagger to “end her” in case of emergencies for example. Never mind that it would make Regina the Dark One which is one of the single worst ideas I’ve ever heard, the writing team wanted to bait SQ in that moment so, tossing logic out the window, they had Emma fork over the dagger to Regina (all while playing up the CS scenes of Hook coming to find Emma and saving her from killing Merida).
But that’s one of the biggest problems that I’m trying to emphasize. Snow and Charming (and Henry for that matter) played next to no active role in trying to save their daughter. Heck, until the season finale Emma barely had any significant alone screen time with her parents. But god forbid we go one episode without some CS kissing or Emma and Regina having a private conversation. Why? Because CS and SQ are insanely popular and Snowing are not. So A and E write with those two ships in mind, to heck with their narrative. I’ll pass over the fact that Emma’s entire hero journey was reduced to her boyfriend and not her self actualization.
But we did get some good scenes with them clearly caring about their son in DreamcatcherâŚ.
Of course. That episode was one of the better ones because it was the most organic and felt like a return to the themes of this entire show: family. And that’s how A and E write now. One episode out of 11 that feels like it could easily fit back in with S1-S3A to appease the angry rabble who don’t like CS, SQ, OQ, or any other ships that get written to the extreme.
I would also say that in real life, when you find someone you really like and start dating them, everyone else tends to get thrown on the back burner; friends, children, parents. All of a sudden, the world is all about them.
Friends, yes. That’s a common phenomenon. Too bad Emma has none of those that actually pop up and talk to her, help her, commiserate with her. I would sincerely hope that children never go on the back burner. Especially on a show that touts itself as being about family, first and foremost. But ultimately, it comes down to balance. Learning how to balance your love life, your children, your friends,and your family. So Emma waltzing into the Underworld to rip out her heart and split it into two–not knowing if it will even *work*–is her declaring that she’s not balanced. She’s chosen one aspect (read: the writers are choosing one aspect) over the others. The writers might give Emma and Henry some bonding time but they will never–ever–sacrifice CS (or OQ if we’re going to put Regina in for Emma) to do it. They willingly give up air time, development and narrative of Emma/Henry or Regina/Henry for the sake of their romantic ships. And that’s what bothers me about this article and the passage I quoted from A and E above.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
