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I don’t necessarily have a problem with people shipping a hot guy and the female protagonist simply because “he’s hot.” I mean you can have a wide variety of ships in pop culture. You can have actual romantic pairings that are real and meaningful. You can have Crack ships. You can have “dark” ships that deliberately tread into the more dangerous and sinister side of human nature (most of the those pair nicely with AU fics). You can virtually anything in fandom culture. My bigger issue is when people ship something but refuse to recognize why their ship is problematic or refuse to recognize and acknowledge that the message of that particular ship is culturally and socially dangerous.
So yes, POM is right to an extent that people will always ship the hot guy with a female protagonist because of something shallow like looks. That’s…okay, I guess. But the bigger issue is when the CSers and, probably more importantly, the show runners and writers can’t see that the message of the ship they are selling is deeply troubling on a feminist level, on a human level–emotionally, physically, emotionally and culturally.
But I also think “hotness” is itself a carefully constructed project, and part of a show’s overall message about any given character.
And then there’s that which is 100% spot on. Colin is a nice looking man. When he takes off the coat and the eyeliner he’s still nice (but mostly average) looking guy. It’s…well, it’s that Fabio-iziation @Nevermore talked about that suddenly makes him Ovary-explosion worthy (apparently). And the opposite is the same as well. I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve read that it’s 100% okay for Baelfire to be dead because MRJ was not “hot” and did meet the surface expectations of what a true love for the main heroine should look like. It’s amazing Rumbelle has the fans it does; and it comes down to Bobby and Emilie’s chemistry and a tour de force first episode (Skin Deep). Had Bobby and Emilie not had phenomenal on screen chemistry and had Skin Deep been less compelling, I don’t know that Rumbelle would have become the powerhouse fandom ship it did (and, be fair, one of the biggest pre-season 4 criticism I’ve seen of Rumbelle, is that Rumple is *too old* for Belle. Note: I find this hilarious given that Hook is north of 200 for Emma.)
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"For it to not be Mulan now would feel out of left field. They had her play the pronoun game in Bear King so that the unsuspecting audience (who has amnesia obviously) will be Super! Shocked! when Mulan reveals that she likes girls out loud for the first time. The question, I think, is who her partner is. Ruby or Dorothy or someone else?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
This is what magic is made of, friends.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"“tossing him to the bear…” omg.
OMG the gay bar. @Phee, a page back:
In which Glavant establishes the EF’s LGBT community in their second season, putting OUAT to shame once again. *
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think @POM might be right on something she said earlier which is that they are going to somehow, inexplicably tie Mulan (sans Ruby?) to Oz. Dorothy is apparently more than a one off (yes?). If they want to make the Witch Hunter story more than one episode then Dorothy/Zelena need to have interaction with other characters and the mains (the CharMillStiltkins) are off battling the Devil. So insert the B-Cast with the other plotline
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Jessica Jones offers a conscious metacommentary on this. You can see Killgrave constantly attempt this re-centering — the ‘what about me and my pain’ — only to have Jessica systematically shoot these attempts down.
Yes yes yes.
The problem comes in that Twilight’s readership have likely never been in a romantic relationship themselves and therefore their perception of what a relationship should be like is influenced by the media they consume such as books, television, films and magazines, not to mention real life situations eg a child growing up in a family whose parents have a healthy and loving marriage/relationship are likely to hold that as the standard on what a good relationship should be like.
I wouldn’t blanket Twilght’s readership as such. Ever hear of Twilight Moms? They are rabid. I read it and I’ve had romantic relationships. My mom read it and she has had romantic relationships. Same with my friends and a good % of the readership. And I can tell you first hand that until I really began to think about it, I thought Twilight WAS a love story. I was blinded by it, just like everyone else. It’s only cultural perception that thinks Twilight fandom is *only* or mostly young inexperienced girls who “don’t know better.” But that’s far from the truth. It’s not a matter of experience. It’s a matter of the systemic and continuous perpetuation that when it comes to romance, women should expect X where X = being made into objects of male desire and that they should accept several questionable practices like stalking, abuse (emotional and physical).
As for this “blank slate” approach being brilliant…well. I guess, but it’s literally how all YA supernatural sagas are written (and I’ve read probably 85% of them…) where the girl is almost a blank slate for reader insertion and the “hero” is a deeply troubled antihero with a lot of manpain who treats the girl somewhat roughly but how it’s deeply romantic.
Most shows that depict a woman in an abusive relationship would do their best to show why she should get out the relationship and how she can do that.
Mmm. I disagree with “most.” There’s a reason why rape culture is *such* a big topic in criticism right now and it’s not because most TV shows are combating it. It’s because they keep perpetuating it, some to huge extents (ONCE) and some to lesser ones.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I just finished watching an adaptation of War and Peace
The new BBC version? How was it?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Are they–
Dead?
Alive?
Dangerous?
Playing AC/DC “Highway to Hell?”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"About Jamie’s tweet. https://www.twitter.com/jamiechung1/status/683322061813448704
Good to know. Hope to hear news that Jamie is on set soon enough.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
