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Hopefully, the next time there’s a Hot Seat interview or something, someone will ask.
Part of me fears that this is actually what A and E intended. A lot of this feels very LOST-ian. Does everything happen for a reason because of some sort of God/Fate-Manipulation (John Locke’s approach) or was it a series of events based on choices the castaways made but stemmed from their own choices and not God-manipulation (Jack Shepherd’s approach).
In LOST it was a fascinating philosophical dialogue to watch…but here the idea that maybe it’s all God-Manipulation flies in the underlying moral thesis of the show since S1: evil isn’t born, it’s made. If everything we’ve seen the characters do since the Author became the Author (good or bad) is somehow Authorial manipulation then how do we rationalize the “evil (and good) isn’t born, it’s made” mentality.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I actually have mixed feelings on this. Firstly, I’m glad for the first time in four seasons that Once is finally addressing that even heroes can make crappy decisions. I’m very happy about that, but the way they did it here, it’s not entirely their fault to begin with since their free was manipulated by the author. I think the moment Snow realized that they did bad a thing in the nursery is when they became aware that the author manipulated her decision.
I’m fine with heroes making crappy choices. That’s totally fine. But the problem is that we don’t know how much of this was free will. And like @Nevermore pointed out, the dialogue between Snowing later seems to suggest that they weren’t completely devoid of Free Will. They did make their own choices and at many turns they had a chance to go back: they could have not taken the egg, for instance. I don’t think the Author manipulated every single thing. He pushed them toward the Apprentice but they chose to go down that route which is a much better fit in the show’s philosophy that evil isn’t born it’s made.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yes, THAT! Also, one part in their dialogue that really annoys me is the, “and we were brave.” I’m sorry, but in my book a person who kidnaps a child has absolutely no right to pat themselves on the back by referring to what they did as “brave” in any way.
Yes I was bothered by that quite a bit as well. Brave would be leaving Mal’s baby alone and realizing that Baby Emma is your responsibility and you have to teach her right from wrong.
But the way they’ve gone about it with Snowing isn’t so much showing that they’re good people with flaws, it’s more like they’ve never really been good people and what we’ve seen of them previously has just been a facade. What they’re trying to do with the characters now just doesn’t fit, it doesn’t feel natural, it devalues how they’ve shown them previously. It’s just poor writing IMO.
Agreed. It’s a way to make the fan favorite villains look better by showing how the heroes were really never heroes to begin with. But that flies in the face of everything we saw in the earliest seasons.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t think Snow and Charming actually revealed that they knew him. Would have to rewatch the scene to confirm but i think it occurs to them who he was and he ran off before they could confront him.
Might depend on how dense Emma is…
The Author says that he got the brandy from a nice couple he met on the road, followed by Snow gasping in realization and saying…”you!”
I’m guessing Snowing need to tell the full extent of the Author’s involvement, though. That could be what this is
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"OMGOSH. GUYS THIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Maybe they really are stalking this forum like we’ve discussed in the past.
LOL nah. I mean, yes. ABC does stalk us (Hi Sally!) but Campbell is the most popular way to understand mythology of the heroes journey.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Basically Heather and I will be dead by weeks end, though for different reasons
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Anyway, if he’s suggesting Robin should do it for a girl, that would say it has to happen before he’s married to Marian–though perhaps after they met, given that he’s “reformed” here. That’s my guess on the timeline.
I didn’t get that Robin’s motivation was meant to be for a girl? Rumple gave him gold straw (which, shouldn’t that be gold thread, not straw?) after alluding to the tax notice on the door that would put him out of business. And with Robin mentioning Nottingham having been there scaring everyone off, I’d assume that this happens after Marian’s left him to be with Robin, probably also after they’re married, which is why Nottingham’s trying to put Robin out of business, because revenge.
I have to agree here. Robin even says that he is not a thief any longer–he’s obviously trying to be a respectable man, which likely means that this is post-Lacey
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
