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Interesting, since those are both Espensodes. “Wake Up Call” aside, it makes me wonder if she’s not too fond of this reboot.
I am genuinely shocked that 710 is Jane’s. Nothing about that episode seemed like her writing.
I have to wonder how much of the episode was really A&E’s. I think much of it could have been, not only because they always have the final say, but also because A&E have written the mid-season finale episode for every season before this and have only written 1 episode out of 10 so far this season – also unusual – so I wonder if in this episode they especially inserted their writing over Jane’s and Jerome’s.
It’s funny you say that, because I think there may be a couple episodes where it may be the other way around.
Really, why?
[adrotate group="5"]I think the reason that the first curse stayed in the Land Without Magic was because Rumpel wrote that curse and that was what Rumpel wanted. His goal was so create a pocket of magical land within the land without magic, so he could then cross over and search for Bae.
This new curse was written by someone else and has another purpose. Gothel trying to steal the eight witches power is a good theory, maybe she just wants to be in charge, who knows as this point. We do know she wanted this curse enacted and that the threat of Henry dying if it’s broken is supposed to stop the “good guys” from breaking it, so it seems like that if it’s broken the return because that is how Henry would die. Henry isn’t going to die though and is in no real danger, so I imagine they will save Henry and Lucy and keep Hyperion Heights.
Yes. All good, logical points. And yes, of course that’s why they didn’t go back to the EF in S1. That’s why they pan to Rumple bringing magic to Storybrooke right after Emma and Henry are confused why no one went back. I don’t know why I never connected that! Thank you!
Interesting, since those are both Espensodes. “Wake Up Call” aside, it makes me wonder if she’s not too fond of this reboot.
I am genuinely shocked that 710 is Jane’s. Nothing about that episode seemed like her writing.
I have to wonder how much of the episode was really A&E’s. I think much of it could have been, not only because they always have the final say, but also because A&E have written the mid-season finale episode for every season before this and have only written 1 episode out of 10 so far this season – also unusual – so I wonder if in this episode they especially inserted their writing over Jane’s and Jerome’s.
I think this new curse if broken would just return them all to the Enchanted Forest 2 and Henry would then die. Though, i have no idea what that has to do with saving Lucy.
Breaking the curse causing them to return to the EF 2 so Henry is then in a land with magic and dies makes perfect sense. (I don’t think they ever really explained why Emma breaking the first curse didn’t return them to the original EF, did they?) Well done for thinking of that hjbau. I hope they go that route. If that’s the case, then perhaps being returned to the EF 2 would give Regina and Zelena their magic back so they can save Lucy. That explains the predicament.
The animated or live-action Disney “witches” I can come up with that they haven’t used are:
– Madame Mim – Sword in the Stone
– Yzma – Emperor’s New Groove
– Queen Narisa – Enchanted
– Mama Odie – Princess and the Frog
– Eglantine Price –
Bedknobs and Broomsticks
– Sanderson Sisters – Hocus Pocus
– Queen Jades/the White Witch – The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (although I’m not sure about the status of Disney’s rights for that)– Could we possibly dip into Marvel with characters like Lorelei and Scarlet Witch? I wouldn’t put it past them.
– Outside of Disney, we never met Morgana or Morgan Le Fey.
– I wonder if “witches” from Disney’s new acquisition of Fox media could now be used?
– My last thought is that if they use the term “witch” loosely, Dr. Facilier being one of them could make a lot of sense.
Nice to hear we will indeed meet Zelena’s fiancée and that will be explored, as well as that they’re pulling from Disney Lore for the witches.
The return of Tiger Lily is odd for a few reasons. First, it suggests that Henry and Tiger Lily have any sort of meaningful connection when what has been shown is the exact opposite. Did Henry (when played by Jared) even meet Tiger Lily?? Second, Tiger Lily’s reinsertion back into the story raises more questions than it answers about some of the logistics of the narrative. Like how on earth Henry got ahold to Tiger Lily; how she traveled to the New!EF; what she’s even capable of doing (she did next to nothing this episode); and why Henry turned to her over, say, his mother (in universe, not out of it).
Yeah, I really hope they do more with this and answer these questions. I think he turned to Tiger Lily because Regina was busy confronting the witches with Zelena? But the way they incorporated the S6 scene into this episode was odd. So that was Tiger Lily’s dwelling that Lucy was sleeping in when Henry woke her and gave her the book? The S6 finale also had that scene where Tiger Lily tells Lucy the “fairies have foreseen” her reunion with her father, so maybe they are going to do more with the fairies.
ry4christ wrote:
because Gothel will kill him if Regina doesn’t cooperate, or because the poison won’t continue to take effect in a Land Without Magic?Pretty sure it’s the latter; they even say something like no one can stop the poison except in a Land Without Magic
Ok, thank you. I missed that line. But I still don’t understand why breaking the curse would cause the poison to take effect again, unless TLK brings magic to HH…somehow lol
So here’s my big question: why does Gothel even want this curse cast? If it was all to get Anastasia, then why couldn’t she stay in the New EF and get Ana there? What’s the point of moving realms? She had magic enough to put Ana into stasis and she knew how to wake up Ana in HH so…what’s the point??
The only thing I can think of is that she needed to be in our world specifically to accomplish her goals with the 8 witches, whatever those goals are. Her wanting to take over our world outside of HH even, could be interesting since we haven’t had that for a villain’s motivation yet who wasn’t trapped by Storybrooke’s town line. And maybe there was also another convenient prophecy involved telling her she had to come to a LWM.
When Regina cast the first curse, the Blue Fairy helped Snowing with using the tree to make a portal.
This time, it is a new fairy doing the same thing. (Maybe the BF actress isn’t contracted to work on Once anymore). Maybe Tiger Lily helped Henry and Lucy cross realms to EF 1 to find the tree?
Still, her inclusion is definitely odd. Maybe she is just Lily’s guardian fairy/fairy godmother, (hence why she helping with the tree) and she will help solve the curse conundrum? In which case she must be in HH somewhere.
All good points. I like the idea of her being the one that helped Henry and Lucy cross realms to EF 1. It would be weird though if she was Lucy’s fairy godmother and Lucy was just now being introduced to her at age 8. I hope she pops up in HH – that would be fun. Maybe she could even shed some light on how Pan had the drawing of Henry before he was born in 2×22??…Ok I know that’s not going to happen. I just still can’t let that one go. LOL
1) What was your favorite episode of S7A? Runner up?
I’ll say 7×04, “Beauty.” After so much back and forth with Rumple’s loyalty to Belle over the last 6 seasons, it was so satisfying to see them live out a full life where Rumple truly chose Belle over the dagger. The HH stuff with Weaver and Tilly was soooo good too. Close runner-ups would be 7×06, “Wake Up Call” – Lana always shines in her backstory eps, and Adelaide Kane absolutely nailed it and 7×09, “One Little Tear” – I really enjoyed the Tremaine/Rapunzel reveal and that whole backstory. Lucy going under was a good twist too.
2) What was your least favorite episode of S7A? Runner up?
My least favorite was probably 7×01, “Hyperion Heights.” It was just interesting enough to keep me watching, but overall I found it a little boring. Runner up would be 7×02, “Pirate’s Life.” I wasn’t a fan of the Wish Realm angle. While I like new Hook’s backstory with Alice, I would much rather they had kept original Hook with an arc trying to return to Emma and given another character the role of Alice’s father.
3) We met a lot of new characters! Who was your favorite? Least favorite?
Favorite is Drizella. Adelaide Kane is doing an amazing job with her and I feel the most invested in her story. Least favorite is probably Lucy. Allison is doing great as an actress, but I think they should have written her character to be a more mature 10 year-old. I think it would have made her more likable and sympathetic.
4) Who do you miss the most from the first six seasons?
Probably Emma. She was the heart of the show for so long, so her absence is definitely felt.
5) What was your favorite moment of S7A? Least favorite?
Favorite moment is either Tilly shooting Rumple and saying “because you told me too!” or the reveal that Tremaine was Rapunzel, mostly because it was a bold move making a “Disney” princess a villain, and I’d predicted it since 7×01. One of my least favorites was discovering Rogers was actually Wish Hook and not original Hook.
6) What storyline would you change if you could?
As much as I love Rumple and Robert Carlyle, I think I would have ended his arc with him dying and being with Belle and Neal in the afterlife. I think that’s where he’ll end up by season’s end, but there’s just no reason (other than wanting to keep RC on the show) that after Rumple had finally fully embraced his true love with Belle, that a final True Love’s Kiss shouldn’t have broken his Dark One Curse for good. That would have been the perfect bookend/come full-circle form “Skin Deep.”
7) What are you hoping for in S7B?
Lots of answers! LOL I hope they show and explain:
– the wonky timeline and everyone’s ages
– the reason Henry will die if the curse is broken and why Lucy will die if it isn’t
– flashbacks of Rapunzel/Tremaine growing distant with and hateful toward Drizella and Ella – perhaps during the time Marcus was searching and after. I want the time gaps of “One Little Tear” filled in.
– Cecelia traveling to Wonderland and finding out there was more to her story than Alice told Ella.
– Rumple finally being rid of the dagger and reunited with Belle and Neal in the afterlife.
– More new characters introduced that are OUAT’s first iteration of them.8) Rate and/or grade S7A as a whole!
Honestly, I may be in the minority here, but I’ve really enjoyed 7A as a whole, much more than I was expecting to. It got off to a bit of a rough start with the first couple episodes, but I’ve felt very much engaged by the characters and their stories since. 7×10 was not good or satisfying as a mid-season finale, but I’m hopeful it will be better in light of the whole season once more questions are answered. I’d give it a B+.
