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@Sarah_TN wrote:
I think I know who dies in Miller’s Daughter…..however……I don't think it's what we expect in a “death”, so to speak.
Everyone go back, and re-watch the panel from Paleyfest. They gave us a lot of hints, and among them, I think they might have let the cat out of the bag.I think the death isBelle, but not her, but rather her personality. I think that this “death” is why we will get Lacey. In the episode “Lacey”, I think that might be when we find out exactly what this character is like. My theory is that at first, Lacey seems to be a sweetheart, but only until her true colors come out in the episode entitled “Lacey”.
I could be wrong about this, but my instincts are talking to me. Let’s see if they’re right!I posted something similar in the spoilers section for Lacey. https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=3084#p43025[/quote]
Oh, ok. I’m not the only one out there with that train of thought then. Who knows, we may be on to something!!! 😉
[adrotate group="5"]@myril wrote:
You’re welcome. Numbers can drive crazy 😉
And considering how fast they sometimes are to axe a show nowadays it’s understandable that many worry early.Once Upon exceeded expectations in first season. I’m not that surprised that numbers now in second season are in average a tad lower. After all it is a fantasy show and with continuing story arcs, such kind of shows are are not regularly attracting big audience, and we’re talking about 22 episode season. In first season it was something new and maybe just because of that attracting a few more viewers. With the curse broken for some the attraction might have been lost as well. And I think they did in first season a little better with episodes, which were well weaven into the big story arc but still could work quite well as stand alone episode too, call it the Fairy-Tale or Storybook story of the week episodes (in style of monster of the week as we had in Buffy and X-Files for example; thinking of The Price of Gold or True North and even Red Handed). It might sound funny to some, but the feeling you have to watch a show week after week, and if you miss just one episode you’re out of it, can put people of a show, as much as they might like the overall concept of the show (it kept me from watching Lost, had not the time and muse to get into yet another addictive show).
I don’t think moving into another time slot, to another day would do Once Upon much good (well, maybe, if you want to change the tone of the show and want to go much more darker, but that might not increase numbers). One of the things that makes Once Upon different from other fantasy / supernatural shows is that it does well as family show, parents are watching it with their kids, so called co-watching numbers were remarkable in season 01 (don’t know though numbers for this second season). Now tell me, how many fantasy shows ever did that? It might be a wee bit frustrating for any of us having a thing for the darker sides of life and fantasy, but it makes it a good fit for Sunday primetime.
Once Upon offers something I haven’t seen maybe since Star Trek: a rather positive, optimistic view on life. Yes, life is full of drama and turmoil and plenty of darkness and is complicated, so is the show, but the basic message is a positive one: Hope – and love as the power to overcome maybe every obstacle life throws at us. It’s another thing that differentiates Once Upon from many other fantasy / supernatural shows at the moment and gives it a unique role on present TV.
Reasons why I am not worried yet about numbers. And there has been an explosion of renewed interest in fairy tales and similiar more modern stories (like the Wizard of OZ), a number of movies , TV shows like Once Upon and Grimm, and more to come. It’s telling that other networks are looking into developing their own fairy tale series feeding on this renewed interest, will be interesting what will survive pilot season and eventually become competition for Once Upon. (Something that tells me, that ABC is making some good money with commercial time during Once Upon, although numbers for that are not public).
Well, of course can’t predict the future, I am no seer, and suprising things have happened.
@NONNIE wrote:
Does anybody know what the ratings for LOST was? I never watched it. Were the numbers better or worse?
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.There is a good overview on Wikipedia, Lost ratings.
@Sarah_TN wrote:
@NONNIE wrote:
Problem is if the numbers of the people ABC wants to reach is not good enough …You do not get season 3 ….. you do not get the DVD production … Production just kind of drifts away.
I know DVR and on line viewing helps the numbers of viewers but if people do not watch
OFF TOPIC: DID you notice that for every 10 minutes of show there was 5 minutes of commercials? It drives me nuts..
.About the commercials: I am glad I’m not the only one who noticed that! Right there, that tells me they’re having to draw in money for production from outside of the network, and that’s coming from more sponsors. Folks, that scares me because it has me asking if the show’s already in trouble, and how that translates to next season! 😮 😯
The good news is: They are able to sell some commercial time. Average length of Once Upon episode is about 43 minutes, no difference in first season, and that is very much average for primetime shows.
No reason to be any scared here. As long as they sell good (as in high priced) and much commercial time they are good. That is what makes the money besides syndication (international as well as national) and DVD selling.
It does, but may I be honest? It’s very frustrating to the viewer (me, included). If they can find any way to get away from so many advertisements, I hope they will, because it’s not good for the show. When commercials air, after a few minutes, people (the casual viewer, not hard-core devotees like us) usually get bored and start channel surfing. Many times when this happens, people find something else to watch. That’s not what anybody wants to see happen.
I think I know who dies in Miller’s Daughter…..however……I don't think it's what we expect in a “death”, so to speak.
Everyone go back, and re-watch the panel from Paleyfest. They gave us a lot of hints, and among them, I think they might have let the cat out of the bag.I think the death isBelle, but not her, but rather her personality. I think that this “death” is why we will get Lacey. In the episode “Lacey”, I think that might be when we find out exactly what this character is like. My theory is that at first, Lacey seems to be a sweetheart, but only until her true colors come out in the episode entitled “Lacey”.
I could be wrong about this, but my instincts are talking to me. Let’s see if they’re right!Ruby!!! It would make sense. She’s barely been on screen for quite a while now and when she has been, it hasn’t been for any dominate purpose. I hope it’s not Ruby, just because I know what it would do to poor Granny!!! 😥
Granny’s not mentioned in there either though, so it might not be either of them. If it’s one of their own….I don’t even want to mention it, and I’m not talking about Hook (even though I really hope it’s not him either).
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@myril wrote:
Stop staring at these numbers like at some fantastic scary dragon. The question is, what does ABC expect, do they get the audience they want to reach or not. And before they will think about cancelling they will have to come with something as good to fill this time slot.
Ok, you make some excellent points. We do tend to freak out a bit, dont’ we? They numbers are solid and steady. I just hate to see it slipping with such key episodes like Manhattan and The Queen is Dead. IF numbers don’t go up (at least a little) for The Miller’s Daughter…well, I’m sure we’ll be back on this thread freaking again.
I’m breathing into my brown paper bag (figuratively 😉 ). Thanks Myril, you’re right. Let’s not panic yet.
@NONNIE wrote:
Problem is if the numbers of the people ABC wants to reach is not good enough …You do not get season 3 ….. you do not get the DVD production … Production just kind of drifts away.
I know DVR and on line viewing helps the numbers of viewers but if people do not watch
OFF TOPIC: DID you notice that for every 10 minutes of show there was 5 minutes of commercials? It drives me nuts..
.About the commercials: I am glad I’m not the only one who noticed that! Right there, that tells me they’re having to draw in money for production from outside of the network, and that’s coming from more sponsors. Folks, that scares me because it has me asking if the show’s already in trouble, and how that translates to next season! 😮 😯
I know they were in trouble by season 3. Ironically, it was because of hiatuses, and too many flash-backs. I guess old habits die hard. I’ll look around, and see if I can find the numbers.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I agree with everything Nonnie said! ABC seems to take on faith that people were going to come every week b/c parts of the fan base is very eager over OUaT (like all of us!). But they need to really sell it to the casual viewer cause that’s where we’re losing.
Yes, and they need to clearly indentify the elements a casual viewer will be attracted to, and those are the elements they need to respond with.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I often wonder if ABC hires people to go through forums like ours and see what fans are saying. If they do:
ABC: listen to what we’ve been saying in the above!!! We love this show to pieces and we want it to be around for a long time.Exactly! Later today, I’m going to tweet a link to this to Adam Horowitz and Ed Kitsis. If they aren’t reading this, then they need to.
@steliokontos1 wrote:
That’s the thing the ABC lineup is in bad shape it’s not like the show is putting out a bad product all things considered Once is still the best thing ABC has going for them
This is true, but ABC competes with other networks, and isn’t going to want to be 3rd out of 4 in ratings. They have sponsors, and stock holders who they will want to assure that investing in ABC’s stock and projects are profitable, and are a good investment. Their sponsors will track how many people will be expected to see their advertisements, and they will track where the best places are to buy those slots. Their stock holders will be interested in how ABC invests it’s resources, and how those investments are returned. ABC is by no means in trouble, but their exectives are smart people and they aren’t going to want to make any decisions that could get them there. If Once is the best thing ABC has going for them, then that is why I fear for Once Upon A Time after next season if the ratings don’t get any better. I believe with 100% of my confidence though, that those ratings can get better, and that Once Upon A Time can be the main topic of conversation at every watercooler in America every Monday morning.
