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I am displeased with Neal’s love proclaimation to Emma, even if she is someone else who he loves. Unless he never loved Tamara in the first place, villan or not, his heart would in reality, still be involved. He’d need answers, closure, and time to heal for grief before proclaiming love to another woman. For me, this says “second choice” or “rebound”. If I were Emma, I’d have been insulted and concerned that someone who says he loves me can so easily switch gears like that.
I actually completely agree with this. It’s what I call the Mother Gothel. It’s a something that I see in some movies,but mostly children oriented things by Disney. It’s the concept that human emotions actually coincide on all levels with morality. [blank] is evil. Despite all that I’ve gone through with [blank], because they have revealed suddenly that they are not a good person, I immediately turn off my emotions for [blank] and move on as if nothing happened.
So, yeah. That does really interfere with what was supposed to be a touching moment between Neal and Emma.
Favorite Moments:
Rumpel and Regina are once again the old married couple that bickers all the time. I especially love the little slap that Regina gives Rumpel on the shoulder when he says that he left an important item in the shop.
Snow White calmly rebuking Charmings anger when Hook tells them about the kiss.
All of Ariel. She was so adorably enjoyable. I love the heartbreaking moment when she cried out to Eric, but could not be heard.
Pan hinting at his acquaintance with Rumpel, like is little prods at things that Rumpel still likes. I don’t know why, but the more that he speaks, the more I wonder and anticipate the reveal of what their relations were. I hope that it doesn’t disappoint me, like the whole typewriter thing.
Rumpel actually implying for a moment to Shadow!Belle that he would rather stay and save his family (whether they’d forgive him or not) than run to Storybrooke. (Wooh! We finally got some positive character development out of you, Rumpel!)
Someone actually saying that Rumpel didn’t have to die to accomplish his goals. And it’s Regina at that. I love how silly she makes his protests to continue on a suicidal mission sound. It’s amusing to have a decision that’s been so dramatized from the very point of conception be instantly shown as stupid.
Least Favorite Moments:
The convenience of Snow looking over just in time to see a point of struggle in the camp and confirm Hook’s theory. This just got on me, especially considering they were in the camp for a bit and she just noticed it like a cue to turn around and look directly at that spot.
Regina was a bit cheesy this episode, and not in the usually enjoyable way. (I know, knit pick.)
Regina pulling out a fork that was stuck in her throat and there being absolutely no blood.
CGI Ursula out of nowhere.
Prince Eric kinda bugged me. I dunno why. Perhaps it was his dialogue or line delivery? I really dunno.
Favorites:
Hook and Charming bickering.
Peter being creepy, as usual.
Regina continues to try to be evil, while constantly being chided like a disobedient child. I love that. Her intimidation is becoming kind of laughable now. (“Here, kid. I’ve got delicious, delicious chocolate for you…”)
Felix was okay this episode…
Least Favorite:
It is implausible in my opinion that the entirety of the crew instantly agreed to become pirates and go against the king.
The flashback this episode felt the slightest bit lacking. Something just…wasn’t.
It may be twisted, but here goes:
“Go away, Belle. I don’t want to talk right now” – The Dark One
I just got nice chills from that. I want to know what it means. I also have wanted him to dismiss that hallucination since it came onscreen. I don’t want Belle to save him, or Neal. I want Rumpel to finally stand on his own two feet. Even if that means he goes psycho-crazy for the next few episodes, I want him to come back from being that on his own without Belle, Neal, or anyone’s help doing it. I pretty much like this, because I’m hoping that it’s leading into a spiral into madness and then finally a point wherein he teaches himself to do what is right because it is right.
Speaking of, was anyone else bothered by the fact that he kept saying that he was doing the right thing so that he could save himself? I understand that the product is good, but overall, the intentions still seem blindingly selfish.
Theory 1: Peter was taken in by the Stiltskins. For some reason, I believe that Peter might not be Rumpel’s BIOLOGICAL brother. Perhaps Mamastiltskin died and Peter was an orphan that was taken in by Papastilskin to help around the house. Peter feels as at home as he ever has, but is still jarred by the fact that he would never be Papa’s real son. I say this because Rumpel’s dad doesn’t seem like he would have loved or respected Rumpel outwardly to cause jealousy in anyone. So maybe the jealousy and hatred came from somewhere else.
It could be that in a moment where Peter tries to hurt or ridicule Rumpel, Papa stands up for his son and punishes Peter, (possibly even kicks him out) which causes him to realize that, despite gaining favor from the father, he would never have that familial bond and was therefore still an orphan. So he runs away to Neverland.
There could also be a similar scenario wherein Rumpel’s mother is involved, and Peter vies for attention from her. *shrugs* We could go all A.I. and Peter would be like David. XD
Theory 2: Rumpel and Peter grew up together in the home of the Spinsters.
I believe that the Spinsters could have possibly taken on multiple orphans at once and Peter and Rumpel were simply there at the same time. Rumpel looks up to Peter and Peter, in turn, ruins Rumpel’s life in every way possible because [insert the hundreds of possible reasons why].Hated: Tamara dying. I wanted to see more of an arc for her character. I got a glimpse of it when she stood in the way of the LB and Henry. She realized immediately what had happened and her arc was just beginning. Ugh!
Yeah, I thought I would be the only one. I completely hated that as well. I mean, her character was not the most likeable once you found out that she had been manipulating them all, but when she realized that what Henry had said was true, it was awesome. I finally saw her have an actual character instead of being either purposely oblivious and happy or righteously dignified. Her eyes held some real emotion and when she stood in front of Henry and told him to run, I felt it was for his safety and not to keep him away from the Lost Ones out of spite. I stopped and thought ‘Hmm. I wonder what was up with her? I wonder what lead her onto the path that she is on? After all, it’s unfair to only get Greg’s backstory when she obviously seems to have something going on. She has to have some sort of tale.’
Then Rumpelstiltskin came…*sigh* I love Rumpel, but I have never been so unhappy to see him in a scene. When Tamara started to beg, it really felt genuine. She almost reminded me of a child. When he ripped out her heart, it felt more horrible than a lot of other things he’s done. It felt as though he’d wasted character potential. It also felt as though he’d taken revenge on a person who’s crimes against him had actually been rendered null and void (which is kind of true, even though he didn’t know that).
This, of course, brings to mind something that I have seen in Once but haven’t thought much on until now…It seems that if you are not magical, or are not a chosen one directly connected to magic, you get the short end of everything. This whole finding each other and true love stuff seems to extend only as far as the Charmingstiltskin bloodline (Yes, I consider Hook, Regina and Belle to be part of it by association). If you’re not of it, nobody cares. Greg was obviously wronged by Regina in an irreversible way, yet because she is a magical and misunderstood main character, he gets the Dementor’s Kiss for it and she doesn’t.
As soon as I saw them go, instead of being happy that GOAT was done for good, I just felt…bitter. I felt like it was so unfair that they had to die when our main characters who have done so much worse were forgiven and are still alive “finding each other” as we speak… which was a very unexpected feeling… :/
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Other than that, I loved the episode:
-All parts were awesome (even though Felix still bugs me).-I’m glad that they seemed to have ditched the corny dialogue and made Charming into an actual person who sometimes believes that violence is the answer.
-Emma finally told her parents that by golly, they are the same age and can, therefore, teach her very little.
-I loved Hook’s sassy “Mmhmm Gurlfiend” look at Regina when Emma told her off. Come to think of it, I’m starting to actually like Hook.
-Rumpelstilskin is back, but much meaner, which is always a plus.
-Peter Pan is the Seed of Chucky. He was my new favorite villain as soon as he said: “Let’s play.”
Agreed. These are major arcs for the overall mythology of the show, but if they’re not concluded at some point, it’ll just drag the show down.
Oh thank goodness. I thought for a bit that I was one of one persons who believed that this arc should be over. I’m not saying that they should make Rumpel irrelevant, I’m just saying that:
1. He’s lived for hundreds of years and I’m sure they haven’t covered that much time.
2. It’s time to make him relevant in the present, more as a character in the plot and less as a character who has caused the plot.
I’m not convinced he went there searching for Bae…
Agreed, neither am I. I just wrote that possibility because in my gut, I feel that the writers have it that he does (even though it would make little sense to me). So, I’m saying that I’d rather have the portion that I want to be there with the portion that I feel is already there, than not have it at all.
On the subject of him finding Bae, I’d consider it also an EPIC tragedy (and better) if he had never gone to save Bae at all. I would like it if he never even knew that Bae had been on the island. I imagine that he could have found some other way to get to Neverland that would have gotten him there quicker (possibly within a couple years) than to a world with no magic. I think that it would tear Rumpel apart to find that he had spent the majority of his time getting to a world that wouldn’t even be relevant for centuries.
Wow, I know that some Rumpel fans would not like all of this tragedy, but I honestly want Rumpel to snap. I want him to go bonkers and not even care, but then, through his own strength (not Belle’s, not Bae’s) come back to his senses and get Henry. I really want to see him lose himself more then he ever has, but then overcome himself as he never has. 😀
Making it a story about how their fate was doomed even before Bae was conceived, because Rumple had a run in with PP, would provide for some EPIC tragedy to conclude this arc of the show while they’re in NL.
Yes, yes, yes. 🙂 That’s what I’ve always wanted. Rumpel is a man who was manipulated and turned into the manipulator. It would add a little of poetic irony if it turned out to be that Rumpel was never the true manipulator at all, but rather under the illusion that he was. Ever since I heard that Fate played a key part in his backstory, I new that this had to end with the realization that he never really had any control, but had been put on a set road from the very beginning by a force (possibly PP) far more powerful than him.
Now I’m hoping that the doll’s owner isn’t revealed at all and the doll’s meaning is never explained. I think it would haunt me more if he just walks back to the others, doll in hand, looking shaken. It would just creep me out. I’d wonder what the heck the doll even was and what the horrible event was that made Rumple drop to his knees and sob like the frightened children of Neverland (mentioned by Wendy). A and E always say that Peter is bad news, so now to leave the meaning behind Felix’s taunt a mystery would give much more of an impact. OUAT sometimes (to me at least) “over clues”. It would be nice and ominous for this doll to be open to mean anything at all.
Other than that, I believe that Rumpel could most possibly have been a Lost Boy. A and E have said multiple times that Neverland is a place to confront the past before they can move on to the future. So honestly, I can’t see this “confrontation” being completely about Bae once again. I’d rather believe that he had been a Lost Boy, therefore had been in Neverland once as a child, once to find Bae, and now.
I would feel that the plot could go in more directions if it wasn’t the standard “Rumpel has screwed up once again because he screwed someone over while putting together a master plan to get Bae.” That arc of showing how Rumpel found Bae ended with Cora’s death. Cora literally brought Regina, the curse caster, into existence. Rather, as a big finale to the Rumpel and Son arc, I would like to find that somehow, by associating with Peter Pan, before Bae even existed, he had cursed his and his son’s life from the very beginning. Think about. Maybe the shadow happening upon Bae was no accident at all. That would give PP much more ammo with which to torture Rumpel and could also hint at PP being the master manipulator. That could go in a few good directions.
Also, it could be that realization that caused Rumpel to cry if it was his doll as a LB. *shrugs*
@KFChimera wrote:
😆 Thanks. I do think Rumplesgirl was right though, the picture is too spot on for Henry. Henry needs something to do after all, some reason to be rescued.
Those are also good points Shandlich that we need a villain who is bad for the sake of it, rather than sympathetic. The Blind Witch was the last one like that.
Yeah, I know it’s obviously Henry (confused look, sweater and all). But I can dream. 😆
The Blind Witch was creepy. I want more villains like her. 😉
