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December 5, 2012 at 9:48 pm in reply to: QUEEN OF HEARTS — FAVORITE & LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS #163838schmackyParticipant
Does that then also classify A and B as ‘bad’ or where they right not too help, because they had been hurt by C ?
That’s not the original question you asked though. You asked if they would be just as bad. And no, they wouldn’t be. Would it be wrong, morally, to stand by and do nothing when you can? Yes.
Which is why the “good guys” always choose not to stand by. Because it would be morally wrong.
[adrotate group="5"]December 5, 2012 at 9:39 pm in reply to: QUEEN OF HEARTS — FAVORITE & LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS #163835schmackyParticipantHm Okay.. well I disagree on that. I believe it is just as bad to be the bystander, if you know it is in your power too stop a bad situation from happening.
Really? So you’re saying Emma would have been just as bad as Cora if she didn’t push Snow out of the way?
edit: Like I had said originally, they would have been guilty of just standing by. But to actually say to stand by IS THE EXACT SAME CRIME as actually doing it is so far beyond incorrect I can’t express proper words for it. (edit: IMO of course)
December 5, 2012 at 9:10 pm in reply to: QUEEN OF HEARTS — FAVORITE & LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS #163828schmackyParticipantWould they be just as bad as Regina if they didn’t stop the mob or the wraith? No. Because they didn’t set up the mob or the wraith. Would they be guilty of standing by while someone got hurt/killed? Yes. There’s a difference between that, though, ya know?
The Charmings have only (to our knowledge) attempt to kill Regina once and that was Snow White when she shot the arrow and Charming had stopped it. But besides that, these people have never attempted to hurt her, kill her, etc. They didn’t get the mob going, they didn’t release the wraith. Regina has killed people, directly. She has indirectly killed people (the children), she has intentionally cursed an entire realm.
So, no… the Charmings would definitely not be the same as Regina if they had stepped back and let the chips fall where they may.
December 5, 2012 at 8:36 pm in reply to: QUEEN OF HEARTS — FAVORITE & LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS #163822schmackyParticipantYup, Regina is real bad in their eyes.
Yes, of course, no doubt.
That’s why they had to save her from the wraith.
Pretty sure they did that because Henry asked Emma to protect her.
That’s why David let her babysit Henry
At this point, I think they know that Regina wouldn’t harm Henry (although I don’t know if any of them know she kept him prisoner in his own room until his heart to heart with her.
And so on.
Curious, what’s the so on?
edit: It’s OK to admit Regina’s mistakes and faults. It’s part of her character. It’s also OK to admit the understandable motivations of other characters while still rooting for your favorite character.
December 5, 2012 at 3:09 am in reply to: QUEEN OF HEARTS — FAVORITE & LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS #163708schmackyParticipantSurely she would be invited, since she helped save Emma and MM, but no.
Would you honestly invite the person that murdered your father/grandfather to dinner? Or would you invite the person that poisoned you/your wife/your mother? Would you invite the person that attempted to poison you/your daughter? Would you invite the person that indirectly poisoned your son/grandson?
If you answered no to any of the above questions, then no they shouldn’t “surely” have invited her. If you yes to any of the above questions well then…. wow.
schmackyParticipantThe curse will be broken and the final battle will begin.
What is the battle about? For what? Fought by whom? What are the sides.
Either way, I think Emma is the key to the battle though.
schmackyParticipantI think he was messing with her until she showed him the compass. Then he was like “oh sh!t This ain’t no game!” And he really did try but shortly after that she knocked him out cold so… yeah.
schmackyParticipantThe thing is… if she kept the trap in place she would lose Henry forever. Because she could insist and insist that it was to protect Henry from Cora but there would always be this corner in Henry’s mind that the reason she set the trap was to kill his mother and grandmother. And he would never forgive Regina for that. So…. keeping the trap in place=certainty of losing Henry.
Removing the trap would lead to the potential of Cora coming through. If she did come through there is also the potential that Rumple and Regina could stop her from doing whatever it was she’d be planning to do. So removing the trap=no certainty of any one event, but potential.
So, really, her best choice was to remove the trap.
schmackyParticipantbut Henry should have at least offered. Regina would’ve probably refused anyway but there is a difference between declining an invitation and being left out.
If he was a grown man, or at the very least an older teenager I might agree with this. But, he’s only 10 or 11 years old and I don’t think it’s fair to think that a 10 year old boy would think of the repercussions of not asking his mother to dinner or even think that by not asking her it would hurt her feelings. Henry is amazing with his intuitiveness and caring and foresight for a 10 year old… I wouldn’t want him to be unbelievable for his age, ya know?
schmackyParticipantFine then. He ditched her. Because he wanted to spend time with the family he hasn’t had his entire life and then got separated from for several weeks.
He’s a bad son.
Poor Regina. When she goes evil and uses magic on Emma, it’s totally justified. *nods*
I feel bad for Regina in that last scene, but not that bad where I’m going to actually fault Henry, Emma, or any of the other characters for her feeling that way. Well, maybe Rump because he was pouring salt into her wound and manipulating her yet again.
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