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I think the house belongs to the Snow Queen, and she deliberately left the hat there for Rumple to find. I just find it strange that a member of a royal family lives in a cave in the middle of the forest (I think she left her house for some reason), plus she wasn’t in SB during the first curse, nor was the house. And as far as we know, she was also the last person in possession of the hat before Rumple found it on his honeymoon. Either she was the one who left it on that table, or there’s a third party involved (which I doubt).
So yes, I do think Rumple is being played by the Snow Queen (and vice versa, probably).
What was his angle? Why turn her into the icy equivalent of Rogue by giving her those gloves, when he could have just taken her powers for good?
He probably didn’t want to eradicate her powers, he wanted them contained in that urn so he could be in possession of that magic one day because it was something he’d never seen before. He probably anticipated that she wouldn’t wear the gloves 24/7, so it was just a matter of time before she did something bad and got urned. Of course, we know he didn’t get the urn back after Ingrid was stuck in it, so I guess if that was his plan he hit a speedbump.
I didn’t get the impression that Rumple had a hidden agenda there. In fact, he basically told Ingrid that she doesn’t really need him because she has true love through her sisters and that’s better than any magic. And then he gave her his trademark warning about magic and its price.
He did seem to be intrigued by her powers, though. Perhaps he just didn’t want such a “rare gift” to be destroyed?
“As soon as he starts to do the right thing, the character’s finished.”
Um, what? Rumple has done the right thing in the past after messing things up (He let Belle go in Skin Deep, opened up to her in The Crocodile, went to Neverland to save Henry and was ready to die for him, sacrificed his life to save his family, etc), and yet the character is anything but finished..
“That’s the reason he is who he is and that’s the reason I think people like him because he is his own person.”
Yes, I do like Rumple being sneaky, and I don’t want him to become another Prince Charming. But I also like to see his better side and vulnerability. To me, it’s his complexity that makes him so interesting and likable, not the wickedness. And I do want to see him grow.
I enjoy Rumple being an evil little so and so, but I also want to see him grow. The way this show is structured it means they could have the best of both worlds, being bad in the past, but being shown as changing in the present. I’m sure that evil is more interesting and fun for Bobby to play, but as far as a satisfying arc for the character, staying bad forever just isn’t what I want for him.
Agreed. If he had really died at the end of 311, that would have been his perfect ending. But now…I don’t know. I don’t want him to become THE BIG EVIL when all the other villains are getting happy endings and second chances.
I totally agree.
Belle reminds me of the spinner!Rumple in Desperate Souls in this sneak peek. I wonder what could make her this desperate? It must be something pretty serious..
Can’t wait to see how this is going to play out.
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, if we’re worried about A&E making Rumbelle awful…look what they did to OQ. (And, for some of us, CS.) It…could happen. That’s why I’m afraid to be excited for this even though OMG BELLE. However, yeah, we need context. There was some suggestion that Belle could have a dream sequence–and she’s wearing a by DealExpress” href=”#”>scarf with daggers on it, for heaven’s sake. And the ax (which may make sense to fight an ice queen–how will you get in with just a dagger, which is Belle’s ordinary go-to weapon) was in her dream sequence in 204, too. So this COULD be a dream.I don’t know.. The Press Release gave me the impression that she’s doing this for real..
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, he’s always been reluctant to help out if there’s nothing in it for him, no matter who is asking. He is a bit of a greedy imp, even if ultimately he’s driven by love. Belle’s given him no justification here, just a “I’m going so help me or I’ll make you.” His reaction feels perfectly IC. Belle’s may be, too, once we know what the secret is and why it’s so important to her. Agreed. Besides, Rumple isn’t necessarily refusing to help her. He just doesn’t want to take her to the Snow Queen. Obviously he thinks it’s too dangerous, and it may very well be true. Robert did say in an interview that Rumple and the SQ are “very dangerous to each other and maybe slightly afraid of each other”. Why would he want to take Belle to someone he thinks is too dangerous? Maybe he can help her in some other way?
The price is that anyone that has ever loved the Snow Queen will never remember her.
That would mean Colette and the the Snow Queen were in love? But why doesn’t Belle remember a thing?
I am going with the theory that SQ and Colette are sisters. Sisterly love and all that. Belle doesn’t remember because she loved her aunt. Emma grew to love SQ like a mom-boom no memories Belle loved her as an aunt-no memories Elsa loved her as an aunt-no memories and trapped in an by DealExpress” href=”#”>urn
I don’t know if this has anything to do with that memory loss thing, but in the original Snow Queen story, the SQ kisses the boy twice to make him forget the people he loves..
Emma’s probably the final ingredient needed to charge the hat. Not sure how I feel about this…
Now that would be insane.. But what if the final ingredient is the Dark One?
Mmmm…but wouldn’t that suggest that the DC is stronger than TL, which in universe we’ve always been told is not true.
Hmm.. yeah, you may be right.
I just have this itchy feeling that Rumple is going to end up in that hat somehow. Messing with magical objects doesn’t usually end well for him. 🙂
Emma’s probably the final ingredient needed to charge the hat. Not sure how I feel about this…
Now that would be insane..
But what if the final ingredient is the Dark One?
And the reason I have more sympathy for Milah than Rumple is that Milah, as a woman, had no power, no control over her life or what the family did. She was mean to Rumple, sure, but she didn’t have the power to make his life miserable (at least not without leaving completely like she did) like Rumple had done to her. And if he’d wanted to pick up and leave her, he could’ve done so without consequence. And of course, she didn’t kill him, so that’s why I’m being harsher on him than on her, and why I see her as the victim in their story.
I think the only thing that stopped Milah from leaving him earlier was the fact that she was a mother (and, perhaps, a bit too concerned with what others thought of her). Not Rumple himself. As we saw in the bar scene, Milah didn’t give a damn about him and his begging, but when Bae popped in, she left immediately.Rumple was an outcast, so probably nobody would’ve cared if Milah had left him. They could have even understood (as the soldier in Desperate Souls seemed to do). But she had a son too, so she couldn’t just leave. That would have looked horrible. But when Hook arrived, she got her chance: pretend to be kidnapped by pirates, and people see you as an innocent victim instead of a mother who abandoned her child.
I’m almost 100% sure that if it wasn’t for Bae, Milah would have left Rumple soon after he returned from war, and I’m also sure Rumple would have let her go if being with him made her so unhappy. After all, in The Crocodile, he only asked her to try. Not for him, but for their son.
Yes, Milah definitely became a victim when Rumple killed her. That was a horrible thing to do, I’m not denying it. But that doesn’t change the fact that before Rumple became the Dark One, he was a victim too.
