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The scene with Regina and Rumple. Confirms my idea that he really is fond of her (in a mentor/student and maybe “rival” kinda way). And that’s why he never considered sucking her into the hat. Rumple was overconfident and haughty up the wazoo, but I did like the “making your own destiny” idea. Once seems to be heading towards a predestination vs. free will storyarc. Anyway, Regina and Rumple: Great dialogue, great acting. Great scene.
Belle fighting back and kicking her husband out of town. Although I have some issues with Belle’s reasoning this episode (see waaay below), I have to applaud her for taking action in such a no-nonsense way. Seeing her being manipulated and deceived for so long was starting to become really uncomfortable. Painful as this was, it is the only way to move forward without having to watch a profoundly unhealthy relationship every week.
The library. A library full of blank books. Mysterious! For now I’m liking this. Also the scooby-doo adventure (Sorry, “operation Mongoose”) Emma, Regina and Henry are embarking on. I’m taking all this optimism back with interest, if they ever have Walt Disney himself appear in this show (please don’t).
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Marian certainly doesn’t hold any grudges. She is very understanding of her husband being in love with the woman who was going to kill her. Well uh… good for her, I guess? Actually, for a while there I was worried they brought Marian back for the sole purpose of having her give her blessings to Robin and Regina, before dropping dead a few scenes later. I’m glad they didn’t do that.
The way it is handled did give me a ton more questions. (Why didn’t more people leave with family Robin? Did they atleast give them a cell phone (facebook anyone?), to stay in touch? Are Robin and family finally going to move into a house, or are they going to be living in central park?)On that same note, did no one want to go with Elsa and Anna to Arendale? I mean their kingdom was overrun by an evil guy and his many evil brothers. Some help to reclaim it might’ve been nice. (I guess they were too busy stopping Rumple, after learning from Anna that back when she met him he was not a very nice guy.
And about that: Wot? How was that a revelation? You could say the same about Regina. I guess he lied about not knowing Anna, but between all the time traveling and memory lapses going around, there were a ton of explanations other than “omg, you guys, he’s been totally evil all along because he lied about this one thing!”.)Belle saving the day. Don’t get me wrong, I love Belle saving the day. But the way she did it is a bit odd. Where did she come from? How did she get there? How did she even know where to go? (I guess if you suspect something bad is going down, the clocktower is the default place to go nowadays?). I’m a bit sad we already saw Belle use the dagger a few episodes earlier (something I did not like then either). If this had been the first time, we’d be more aware of the huge impact of this on both characters.
3 villains. I have no idea how this will play out. So I’m not particularly worried or excited. Cruella stood out like a sore thumb though. I’m very curious how she will fit in with this. She seems like an odd choice. And did we really need more female villains?
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This episode was full of characters jumping to weird conclusions (ok, maybe every ep is like that lately, but here it stood out more, for some reason).
Emma is being completely intuitive and responsive about things lately. “I sense something is wrong with the town line”. But when she notices something is very wrong with Hook and he grasps her arm in what seems like the clearest plea for help ever, she ignores it and goes off to say goodbye to Elsa and Anna instead. I was totally expecting her to follow him. What are you doing, Emma?
And my number 1 peeve: Belle’s reasoning. There were a ton of reasons for why she was totally justified in being angry, even for kicking Rumple out of town (he lied to her. and he did kill(?) ALL THE NUNS as well as some old dude no one knew, and he tried to kill Emma, and Hook). But what was it that tipped her off? He got the ransom-glove he paid for her back. Now I don’t know about you, but if my husband paid a ransom to save my life and then managed to get the money back after I was safe and sound, my first thought wouldn’t be “he doesn’t love me”. It would be “How about that trip to Thailand?”
And the glove leading to his dagger… (Aside from the fact that Belle apparently used the glove to go look for her husbands greatest weakness, hoping that it would be her – which is all kinds of messed up.) Her ending up at the dagger seems completely logical to me. Belle is his greatest strength, not his greatest weakness. Sorry hun, but he has a dagger that will let other people use him as a puppet, no matter how much he loves you. It also happens to be the one thing in the world that can kill him. That is a big glaring weakness right there (why do you think he wants to get rid of it?). I’m not convinced that if offered a choice, he’d choose the dagger over Belle. Well, ok, maybe now that she’s done this to him, he might choose the dagger. 😉[adrotate group="5"]And to think Rumple had the perfect opportunity there to tell her he switched daggers… Seeing how Belle was feeling guilty for betraying his trust and controlling him with it she couldn’t very well have complained about his lack of trust. They could’ve just called it even, had a good cry about how untrustworthy/untrusting they both are and decide to play things straight from now on. Instead he chose to “forgive” her, rather than fessing up, and in doing so dug a deeper hole for himself. I suppose years of experience in making deals with people, didn’t do much to prepare him for an actual relationship.
Really, these two… I can only see this ending badly. And perhaps rightly so. Belle has been rather shortsighted lately (I used to like her!), and Rumple clearly can’t be content with the happy, quiet family life.
That being said, I don’t see Rumple EVER saying that it would be a pleasure to do anything that would harm Belle. (Even if he’d consider it, he wouldn’t be happy about it). Despite all their issues, they do love each other. Difficult and destructive though that love might currently be.
I’m going to stick with his target being Hook (though I wish it was Blue).I always saw Rumple’s relationship with Regina as a rivalry with a hint of mutual respect. I have some trouble believing that he’d consider it to be a “pleasure” to kill her. Hook seems more likely, considering their history (though I have no clue WHY killing/harming Hook would help him – Plot convenience fairy?).
Edit: I suppose it is possible that Ingrid is using Rumple, and told him to kill Hook, so she can have Emma all to herself.I’m hoping it’s Blue. Both because I enjoy thinking of her as the sneaky fairy (even if the writers might not have intended her to be), and because her death would explain why the main characters don’t go running to her with every magical problem they have. (Which is something that slightly bothers me now).
As for Rumple’s motivation, conquering the world does indeed seem way too shallow/weird for him to suddenly want to do. After his experience with Zelena, I can understand he wants to make sure no one can ever control him again. But maybe his desire runs deeper. (Wishful thinking coming up:) Perhaps this is a chance for the writers to finally go into the source of the Dark Curse. Maybe he wants vengeance on its creator? A vengeance that requires him to go beyond the borders of Storybrooke? Could the creator of his curse and the writer of the book be the same person?
I would’ve loved to hear that explanation.
“Now don’t freak out, but carriages here are called “cars” and they’re really fast, so first look both ways before crossing the street. Also some animals you might know are people here. So I hope you’ve been treating your pet rabbit right.”
1) Favorite Episode?
The finale. (Can I count that as one episode?) I don’t remember having this much fun watching ouat in a while!2) Least Favorite Episode?
Hmm… tricky. I’ll probably go with the Tower. Not because it was terrible (I don’t think any episodes were really terrible this half-season), but because it was pretty mediocre. Rapunzel was a throwaway character and her storyline didn’t make a whole lot of sense.
“A curious thing” gets an honorable mention, because I really didn’t like the Snow killing Charming thing.3) What did you think of Zelena as a character/villain?
I liked her. Rebecca seemed to have so much fun playing her and the fun was contagious when watching her. The character did have some issues (in more way than one). For example, her entire motivation seemed rather flimsy. I’m still hoping we’ll see more of her. I think there was potential for interesting character development (for her and Regina) that I’d enjoy seeing.4) Favorite moment?
Hmm.. tricky. I’m not a shipper, but it would probably have been the Rumbelle proposal if it had turned out to be more sincere than it was. Neal’s death ranks pretty high (please don’t hit me!), because that’s one of the few scenes that had me in tears.
Maybe I’m prejudiced because I’ve just seen the finale, but the scenes in the vault where Emma regains her magic (and the confrontation with Rumple right afterwards) might be my favorites.
Edit: I guess one reason this season feels so average-ish, is that there weren’t many stand-out scenes for me.5) Overall rating for the season?
Meh, it was pretty mediocre (which means that compared to other shows it’s still amazingly good fun). I’d say 7.5 out of 10—————–
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(They’re under “tv-shows -> once upon a time – > episode title”)The idea of her being Anastasia’s sister is pretty neat. I wouldn’t mind that family relation. It’s far enough removed from the regular characters.
As for what they’ll do with her: The one thing that disappointed me about the movie Frozen was that it didn’t have much to do with the original fairy tale (which I love – I used to read it all the time when I was a child). If they’re bringing Else into ouat I’m hoping they’ll use more elements from the Snow Queen.
In the fairy tale, a young boy gets abducted by the Snow queen, who makes him forget about his family. (I think she teaches him some magic too, but I don’t remember that part too clearly). The boys sister goes to find him and has many adventures before reaching him and bringing him back to his senses through the power of love. Ok, it’s slightly more complicated (there are shards of a magic mirror involved), but that’s the idea.
Unfortunately this comes pretty close to things they’ve already done in the past so if they wanted to adapt it, they’d have to give it a lot of twists and turns along the way.
As a side-note, considering the ending of the finale, I’m now shipping Elsa/Regina until further notice. 🙂
I liked pretty much everything! This felt like a full-length ouat movie. I’m sure there are some timeline inconsistencies here and there that some sharper minds on the forum will pick up on, but I am not bothered. This was a fun, fast-paced adventure and a great way to end the season. If not for the last few minutes they could’ve ended the series here and I would be almost entirely satisfied.
Some specific points I liked:
All the Back to the Future references. There were sooo many, it can be a whole seperate forum post!
Retro-rumple was particularly fun this episode. I enjoyed his: “What am I doing in here?”
Emma finding her home.
In all seriousness though, when Regina put Zelena’s locket in her vault, the Evil Queen theme played. Could it possibly be hinting at something?
It could be, though at the time I just took it as a victory of Evil over Wicked (that whole contest thing they’d been hyping up all season). Regina won, so they play her “victory theme”. It’s just that her theme happens to sound very threatening, so as a viewer you immediately suspect something is up.
I don’t have much to add. I agree with 99.9% of what priceofmagic and schaendlich have been saying. But I do want to mention how much I enjoy having a place to go this deep into the character’s motivations.
Love you, forum! 🙂If Belle is being naive in what she’s asking of Rumple, then what could she have asked that would be fair to the grief and trauma Rumple is going through but also not murder?
I’m not sure there was anything she could have asked. Maybe she wasn’t naive to ask perse. But I do think she was naive to believe he wouldn’t go after Zelena. He did the complete same thing in season 2, after he promised not to go after Regina. Belle knows him and knows he can be vengeful and violent and despite the best intentions, is in a pretty dark place after losing his son. Best thing she could have done? Take him out of Storybrooke? Don’t let him out of her sight? I hear Phuket is quite lovely this time of year.
Having Zelena and Rumple in one town at that point was a disaster waiting to happen.
Not saying this was Belle’s fault, mind you. It was definitely a dick-move Rumple pulled. I was disappointed, but in a “this stinks, but yeah… it’s totally what Rumple would do” kinda way. He’s not a very nice person. But then I’m sure that Regina, despite her being all redeemed and light-magic and whatnot, would do the same if someone locked her away for a year and killed Henry.
(Edit: Gah, Priceofmagic, you typed what I was thinking while I was thinking it!)
Not sure how I feel about the whole wizard of Oz story being put down as a metaphor for Glinda’s wiccan sisterhood, but Dorothy seemed pretty ok. The actress playing her did a fine job and she actually seemed more concerned over Zelena’s “melting” than Glinda ever did.
I don’t understand Glinda at all. When she first meets Zelena, she gives her the thumbs up for turning the wizard into a monkey, but after Zelena melts (and Glinda just shrugs it off) she is the first to head over to the wizard’s place and be all buddy-buddy with the disembodied voice behind the curtain. (Not to mention expose innocent young girls to his “trickery”).
Emma doesn’t seem to want to be a magic user. But her magic has to go somewhere, so I’m guessing it’s what forms the book.
And that’s a really nice theory!
