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My biggest issue with Rumple right now as Papa is that Zelena’s relationship with him is somewhere between devoted/jealous daughter and wife. It’s a…eh….uncomfortable idea that she might really be his daughter when she’s looking to make him bother her father and lover.

I completely agree. The romantic implications combined with the teasing that Rumple might be her father is giving me the heebie jeebies. Ofcourse Zelena wouldn’t KNOW they’re related, so it wouldn’t be much worse than say… Luke and Leia awkward, but really awkward anyway.

My favorite theory (I read somewhere) suggested that it would be fun if Zelena’s dad was a noble disguised as a peasant. Now that would be perfectly fairy-tale and perfectly ironic!

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Regina did the same thing, linking whiskey with magic last episode.

I guess bad magic = emotion. Good magic = food? Maybe if they feed Emma enough pancakes, this whole plotline can resolve itself 😀

Also, Henry seems to be quite obsessed with food. I bet he’ll make a powerful wizard yet!

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Much as I’d like it to be a nameless nobody, I can’t quite discount the possibility of Rumple being the father either (ofcourse my opinion might be a bit less well-informed than yours, since I haven’t read all the writer-interviews/analysis/spoilers etc.)

For one thing, I don’t think the father is royalty. Because Cora wouldn’t have abandoned a child that gave her an “in” with the royals. Even if she wasn’t initially planning on abandoning her, she certainly doesn’t seem to have made much of an effort to get her back either. Ofcourse it’s possible that we just haven’t seen that side of the story yet… I wonder how Zelena would respond if she found out that she was royalty afterall…

Someone we haven’t met yet/some nameless nobody is certainly a possibility, but would make for less exciting tv. The reason everyone is related to everyone else seems to be: drama!
(Also realism, did you ever take a look at the family trees of the european royal lines? Most royal families from different countries are related to eachother in more ways than one – I’m not surprised that it would be even worse with fairy-tale nobility.).

And in this case the writers have been quite merciless in teasing us with the possibility of Rumple being the father. Not only did they spent an entire episode on the relationship between Cora and Rumple (and already teasing the possibility of a child there), but they also drew the parallel with the shaving as well as with the “scarecrow” comment (Rumple being the scarecrow as he’s the one Zelena got a “brain” from).
Not to mention Zelena is magically powerful and has a disposition for unusual skin-problems. Also, she’s obsessed with Rumple.
Giving her tremendous daddy-issues aside from her already existing mommy-issues, seems very much in line with the show.

But then, if something’s that obvious, in tv-land that USUALLY means it’s not true. And it would’ve been a big thing for Rumple to overlook the existence of his daughter. (I guess even Dark Ones make mistakes).

All in all, I’m a bit stumped. I don’t think any outcome will surprise me at this point. Rumple, Leo, Randompeasant, Santa Claus…. When it turned out she literally fell from the sky and grew up with adoptive parents, it pretty much opened all possibilities back up for me.

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sweetgrass wrote:

I am a little confused. This isn’t a shipping thread so I think anyone should be able state their opinion.

That was about an incident that took place in a shipping thread. Not this thread.

Ah, ok *phew*. That confused me too. I actually got a little scared of posting for a bit there. Thanks for clearing it up!

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Blue Fairy doesn’t say exactly, where the power is from, but that what troubles Rumple is “specific” to their realm, aka the Enchanted Forest or magical lands. Yes, she says as well, the power doesn’t belong there, and one can read that differently, but it doesn’t have to mean, the power doesn’t originate in the EF, just that it shouldn’t be there.

You know, I think you may be right. Good catch! Maybe I should go back and re-watch that episode (my beautiful, beautiful conspiracy theories *snif*) I certainly hope they’ll give us more backstory here. (As I said, I have high hopes for season 4). That vault was interesting. I loved how whatever was inside was causing it to (very locally) snow.

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I wasn’t trying to change any of your opinions. Should have been clearer.

That goes for me too. I hope I didn’t offend anyone with my earlier post. If I did, I apologize. I was trying to formulate my own answer to the question that this topic asks. Nothing more.

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Thanks for posting that, Matthew. I enjoyed reading it, and I agree with pretty much every word. 🙂

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They might have messed up there I guess. But where Again are we told that Blue is not able to tell lies? and by whom? I dont remember that.

Not sure we were told that. But even if she doesn’t straight-up lie, she’s at least been known to twist the truth to suit the needs of the moment. (e.g. with the wardrobe)

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This is a really good question. And an interesting one too. I do think Blue lies (but then, I don’t trust Blue, so maybe I’m just biased. Come to think of it, where IS Blue anyway? She seems to be very selective in who/when she decides to help out).

Buuut, on the other hand, there doesn’t seem much reason for her to lie about this (unless it’s all part of a larger setup where she tried to get Baelfire to leave the Enchanted Forest in order to get rid of the Dark one and allright, allright, I’ll stop being paranoid now!)

Most likely the curse really did come from outside of the EF. The vault might be there, but that doesn’t mean that whoever or whatever created it, came from there too. The whole introduction of the vault has raised my hopes that the writers are planning to go into the origins of the Dark One (if not this season, then perhaps in season 4).
That’s bound to be interesting!

Maybe the inhabitants of the Enchanted Forest (the fairies? Blue?) locked up some sort of otherworldly evil there, a long time ago, which became the source of the dark one. (I know, I’m just reaching here).

 

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My friend who is a professional movie critic and also watches OuaT offers this explanation for why Neal’s death actually does make sense dramatically: “For one thing, it evens the scales. Rumple sacrificed himself. Neal got to do the same. It also brings their relationship full circle to a final reconciliation. That gives the drama extra weight.” I’d also add that his death makes their battle with Zelena more personal. Of course, I’m still greatly saddened as I really wanted a happy ending for him and Emma or at least a great friendship/co-parenting. I think they could have told more stories with him. But I’m not angry with the writers. All the anger I’m seeing is disheartening and makes me more distraught than the episode itself! I don’t like seeing my friends angry.

This too! Very much. You get a seal from me as well. (But I won’t clog up this thread with more furry animal pictures).

Speaking purely from a meta-storytelling point of view, Rumple couldn’t return without something drastic happening. There had to be a consequence. I guess in storytelling as well as in magic, there’s always a prize. And they had to bring Rumple back. Which is one thing I am happy about.
Even though I am sad to see Bae go, I am satisfied with the sendoff he got, due to the “full circle reconciliation” thing you mentioned. There was a lot of closure for both characters in that last episode.

I’m with you on the angry people issue too. It’s what made me decide to start posting here. I just couldn’t bear watching it anymore.  Really, if I see any more anger flying around these forums, I’m going to be tempted to start a free-hug-thread. *looks around threateningly* – Don’t think I wont!

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