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but I am going to assume that it is like a dream world so it does not have to make sense.
Is it though? Because they don’t leave the world by waking up–they (almost) take a very literal magic bean that created a very literal portal back to their very literal Storybrooke. That’s the problem. If this was a dream world, then the bases are covered and we can handwave away all the wonkyness. But it was never stated as such. Belle was still asleep when she went to dream world, her subconscious traveled. But Emma and Regina–their very bodies and beings–traveled to this AU.
Edited (because I should read the whole thread first).
So the A.U. didn’t exist, but does exist and is real now, due to the wish?
If the world is REAL, then Regina *really* did kill real people, these A.U. Charmings. And good luck Emma explaining why to your son why you are working with his grandparents’ killer. And I hope Henry you are ready to be upgraded from new-Knight to King virtually over-night! Because Emma isn’t going to stick around.
[adrotate group="5"]I am assuming this is Emma’s wish world, correct?
We assume but then why Robin? Why is Neal dead? Even if her wish world is “I’m with Hook” (which, curiously, she isn’t) then why have her wish world be one where Henry never even knew Neal?
Understandable, they can’t get the actor back, but they could have just had Henry say “I miss him.” *shakes head*
Also, the Charmings are apparently bad parents in every version of reality 😉 What, did they treat their kid like delicate glass her whole life?
Emma’s fantasy version of herself sucked, it seems she can even fantasize that her parents would have done a better job 😉
I suspect we will be seeing quite a bit more of Alternate Rumple. Will he make his way to Storybrooke? How does he know of it’s existence?
I surely hope we will see lots of him. That he might come to Storybrook never crossed my mind… Why would he want too?
Maybe if he learns he has a son, that is alive? Where is Belle in this A.U.? Presumably, if alive, she is the same age as the Charmings, unless she has been keeping Pan company.
What bothers is that WishWorld!Rumple seems to know/understand/believe that he’s fake. But the world isn’t fake. Which means that Rumple–a Rumple who apparently saw his son come back fall in love, have a child, die and STILL Rumple wants the dark curse cast…?–is real. I dunno. Will he come to SB? I sorta doubt it.
What bothers is that WishWorld!Rumple seems to know/understand/believe that he’s fake. But the world isn’t fake. Which means that Rumple–a Rumple who apparently saw his son come back fall in love, have a child, die and STILL Rumple wants the dark curse cast…?–is real. I dunno. Will he come to SB? I sorta doubt it.
Yeah, I don’t get it. As soon as he learned it was a fake world, he should have been figuring out a way to make it, or at least him, real, and letting the two real people a way out of there doesn’t seem the smartest idea….
Do we know he still want the Dark Curse cast? I don’t remember A.U. Rumple saying that to Regina.
If I imagine the alternate time-line in this A.U. what happens? Presumably the Charmings banish EQ, at the very least, before Emma is at the age of majority, perhaps sooner, even much sooner. Rumple did call Regina his failed student (he should be a lot more bitter about the Dark Curse not being cast). Or perhaps the Dark Curse was cast but managed to be directed only at Regina, and she ended up in Storybrooke all alone?
So, at some point, either Emma ends up on Earth (I assume in her fantasy world she didn’t grow up an orphan, so I shorter-visit to our ‘verse), and/or Neal/Baelfire ends up back in the enchanted forest. Assuming there was that much thought behind it all in Emma’s head 😉 They have a relationship, possibly marriage, at lease some of which is in the Enchanted Forest (going by the clothes in the royal portrait) but their lives together are cut short, and died either before Henry was born and/or shortly after.
Not that I want want to put too much thought into it, but this is 30 years of living, no curse. Did Belle just rot-to-death in EQ’s castle when they banished EQ? Did she escape or get rescued? Did she and Rumple repeat in A.U. for 30 years what has happened over the last 3-ish years that has passed, in-story, on this show? Ugh. Is their an A.U. Gideon? And/or did they split? Whether it goes good or bad – how and at which point does someone get the better of Rumple and he ends up in the jail/psych-ward?
I was thinking the same think. Thought obviously the separate halfs can be treated different as far as wishes are concerned, since EQ didn’t end up in the Alternate Universe. But maybe Genie wishes only affects the “prime” doppleganger? However the process determines who is prime, it pretty clear it is Regina.
It is either take, and/or somehow Gideon was able to ride on the back of that wish somehow 😀
I am trying to remember…. In the vision who was near by again? No Regina. It was Hook, Henry, was it both of Emma’s parents? Because if so, that means the curse has to be broken first.
If you are into spoilers, the sneak peek for ep 10 might help to answer you question
Thanks, but no 🙂
And then, almost inevitably, they’ll push the two back together with nary a thought of what came before, pat themselves on the back for a well written relationship and sit back, expecting the accolades from shippers to come in.
And you know what, I will probably enjoy it in the moment as my emotions soar with the scene unfolding in front of me, with the sound-track, with the writing (if it is Jane Espenson 😉 ), and/or with the acting (mainly from Bobby Carlyle, but both). But there will probably be a very unpleasant after-taste, as I reflect and think-on, and feel-on, on what we are suppose to swallow, when viewed as a whole.
You know, I had scribbled two pages of notes on criticisms of Rumpbelle before I though of how useless it was, because of how their whole relationship is set up narratively, as nailed by others. The writers want to have their cake and eat it too. This is killing the Rumpelle story/relationship. And Rumple’s path would have been entirely different had Neal not been killed off. Even if Rumple didn’t become 100% wholesome, even if he stayed amoral, or even kinda-bad, he would have been a sort of anti-hero type kept in check by his son and/or wife. And perhaps even extended family on occasion, as he got semi-incorporated into the do-gooder’s clan through the Neal-Henry-Emma connection.
Thanks, great comments.
I’m trying to think about any counterexamples of the man saving the “villainous” woman and literally nothing comes to mind. I also think it’s very interesting that the standard turn of phrase that covers the female archetype you’re describing — the femme fatale — is already, linguistically, one where the resolution is predetermined to be tragic.I was wondering about that… Maybe Black Widow from Marvel Comics (and most recently the Avengers movies). I haven’t actually read/seen any of her origin stories, but it seems Hawkeye sees past her cold assassin/spy exterior and sees the possible good in her no one else does. I think some versions this is romantic, and other versions platonic. Also, depending on the version, Cat Woman.
I think the femme fatale description might be due to how characters behave when we’re first introduced to them. Ana was optimistic and cheerful when she was young, and Regina was kind and selfless, but we don’t think of them as fundamentally that way because we didn’t learn about that earlier part of their lives until later. Snow was cruel and motivated by wrath for a while, but we got to see an earlier good phase of her life before we saw the bad phase.
I think the first impressions count for a lot, and story tellers certainly know this also, and use it to either foreshadow events, and/or subvert our expectations for suspense/surprise.
I am copying and pasting something I put on another forum, because I am lazy 😉 :
“I wonder if we are going to learn more about fairy society. We have that them falling in love/dating is a huge no-no.
Either that, or they are just really not down with mixing romantically/genetically with dwarfs. Considering what we know about dwarf reproduction
perhaps there is a reason for that. Also dwarfs and fairies are the only peoples that we have only seen that consist of one sex/gender.Could feelings/theories/etc on fairies’s male children have something to do with why they are so against love for their kind? Maybe abandoning Rumple was a kindness on his mother’s part, or so she thought.”
