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Shouldn’t Snow (and Emma!) have known this was a baaaad baaad idea considering what happened with Emma & Lily?
That’s a really great point (and one I totally forgot about while watching and even re-watching). Yes, the Baby!Lily!Egg debacle should have clued Snow in that you can’t split off darkness and kill it–it has to go somewhere.
If Lily comes back for one scene only in season six, I want it to be some agast/snarky reaction to the return of the Evil Queen, and her and Mal blowing out of that town 😀
[adrotate group="5"]I just finished listening to the initial reactions for the finale. When Daniel stated that he felt frustrated with Snow and Emma being supportive of Regina’s decision to split her evil off from herself my mind went into a different direction. Whereas Daniel went on to explain he felt frustrated because this has been done similarly before.. That is when Regina was last having great difficulty processing and dealing with her emotions so she took out her heart to prevent any of that (not to mention healing and learning from it).
However, my mind turned to when Snow was instrumental in splitting someone’s evil (or “darkness” from another person)… Shouldn’t Snow (and Emma!) have known this was a baaaad baaad idea considering what happened with Emma & Lily? And if that situation implied that one could not eliminate darkness, only move it, doesn’t that also imply that one cannot remove one’s evil-half and kill it? Snow and Emma encouraging this just seems bonkers when I remember Emma’s and Lily’s history, not to mention Snow’s (and Charming’s) role in them.
I suppose there is an argument to be made Regina, with both halves, is making this decision, and Emma nor Lily (nor Malicifient) gave consent. However that is only one part of the problem with this “splitting” solution with Emma and Lily. Their situation has implied that it is not possible to split and kill parts of one’s self.
Screwball Ninja came up with an interesting interpretation. Basically “OUAT is pushing redemption over justice. The villains take precedence over the victims, for better or worse.”
I had come half-way to that conclusion myself. I was thinking earlier today that unless you have a redemption story worth exploiting A&E don’t care about writing your character so much, that you can expect death and no reprieve, unless you are a Charming.
I didn’t care much for Robin, especially the 4B stuff that just made me shudder whenever I gave more than a passing thought to his storyline.
But now I am shuddering about his storyline for different reasons, and even tearing up….
People have mentioned how Robin is not going to get an happy afterlife, no peaceful heaven-like place like Cora, Neal, etc, have gotten.
That was bad enough… And then I thought about the people that will die after him, and never see him again. When Regina dies, she won’t have a happy reunion with him. Same the Merry Men, Roland, and Robin Junior. Marion, who is there, will see shared associates join her at some point, and find out Robin is never coming.
We can imagine Neal being reunited with *most* of his friends and family some day (sadly not his mother, and I guess depends on where his father ends up). But Robin, no, that has, by all appearances, taken away. No happy ending *ever* not even in the afterlife. And the happy afterlife for all his loved-ones and friends, will be a less happier for it too. Hope, phhhhht.
I think Hook putting those pages back into the book was “crucial” to the storyline…. basically for plot reasons for Robin’s death to happen the way the writers wanted!
They wanted only four people in the scene when Robin was killed by Hades. Robin and Hades, of course, plus Regina (for Robin to sacrifice himself for), and as-of-yet-unnamed baby Robin (for the motivation for Regina and Robin to be there in the first place). The didn’t want Zelena there, because she couldn’t see Hades attempt to, or successfully, kill her sister, or her baby’s father, in cold blood.
Both Zelena’s baby and TL Hades were there, so they needed a convenient excuse to have her not be there. Because people on TV can’t go to the bathroom, they had to come up with something else… Intruder(s) that were a distraction from Robin or Regina.
So who would that be? No one was going to do a full frontal assault except a grief-guilt-stricten Emma. She of course was reasonably encouraged earlier not to. So they needed to come up with an excuse for her to change her mind. And here we insert the MacGuffin, the book pages, which are in the Underworld. Cue Hook, and his new bro Arthur.
In my head cannon Zeus saw a kindred spirit in Hook. And I mean the traditional Zeus from mythology, temperamental and womanizing 😉
I am wondering if we will need a Hades or Zades thread at some point 😉
While most people have drawn parallels between Zades and Rumbelle, I think think Zades &/or Rumbelle has other parallels to Captain Swan. Or maybe it is just me 😉 But is seemed more pertinent in Firebird with the pointed comments Regina was making at Hook 😀
All of these duos/ships men started out “villains” that were really just “misunderstood bad boys” that could be “fixed” or “changed” by having women loving them.
I just also wonder what kind of messages that is, intentionally or not, communicated with these stories, when considering the similar and/or different paths they have taken or are taking.
And it seems even odder that CS hasn’t had TLK yet, but Zades has, and Rumbelle had (though an aborted version, in Skin-deep).
Zades relationship *at the moment* seems healthier than CS, which seems healthier than Rumbelle. At least in my opinion, your mileage may vary 🙂
I mean Pan’s entire body vanished but apparently you put a living heart into his soul/essence/thingy walking around the Underworld and we’re supposed to accept that it’ll allow him to go topside.
Well that was a whole heart! Logic! 😉
Other than wasting time so he could go through hoops to convince Zelena they were TL…
Why wouldn’t Hades have told them the information in this episode much earlier? If, as he professed, he wanted to keep souls in UW, and the hero’s gave the souls hope that he didn’t want them to have…. Why not tell the heroes: your heart-split plan sucks & here’s why…. If that doesn’t convince the heroes to go home without Killian then tell them about the ambrosia back-up plan and tell them to bring you back up some (or steal it from them)? Was this why their names were written on the head-stones, to extend their stay in the UW from a plot-point POV?
Of course there is trust issues, but this definitately makes it feel like this whole half a season was either just all plot distractions to get to this point (even with its high points), and/or a very extended kind of secret love + power seeking story that depended on executing well-timed, and well-laid, plans? To get to Zades TLK and leaving the UW at the same time the heroes would busy with a futile mission, so he could give Zelena what he/she/they thinks she wants or deserves?
On one level it may seem kind of genius chess-playing on Hades part, and at least partly for good intentions, but somehow it leaves me dissatisfied.
(& if this was frame-job Hades wouldn’t even know that it was a futile mission, but I am too tired to analyze further at the moment)
You know, one way Killian could atone for all he has done, is instead of immediately moving on (or finding his way back to life & SB somehow, which is more likely to happen) is wrestle control from those two and help people move on, before he moves on himself…. Of course, maybe this is just because I want dead to be dead 😉
