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This is probably me expecting too much out of the writers (as per usual), but I think (hope) that the cast connection Hades has could potentially be a combination of what a few have suggested. I’m thinking Hades could have been a fourth party in a missing piece of the Cora/Rumple/Regina story, though this mainly hinges on the baseless assumption that they always planned on bringing Barbara Hershey back in the Underworld, seeing as how Cora/Kore is another name for Persephone.
I’m rewatching the show over winter break to lead up to the spring premiere, and I’m on the early episodes of season 2 now; though it could just be chalked up to shoddy writing or changes in plans, there’s a whole lot of dialogue in the first part of S2 that alludes to different Cora/Rumple events transpiring that what we ultimately saw in “The Miller’s Daughter.” Rumple implies having held Regina when she was smaller, “more portable” (implying transportation/kidnapping), and that they’re “back where we belong – together.” Later, in 2×08 when Regina and Rumple discuss Cora in Granny’s, Rumple insists he “can handle Cora” and that he “won in the end,” with Regina replying that that isn’t how Cora tells the story. Obviously we’ve had plenty of cases of inconsistent writing over the past five seasons where this could (and most likely will) amount to nothing, but Barbara Hershey’s trailer was seen back for 5×14 “Devil’s Due” as well, wasn’t it? The same episode Milah is also back for/most likely a Rumple episode?
I’m probably wildly off base, but in my wildest dreams the flashbacks for 5×14 will be Rumple abducting baby/toddler Regina and Cora making a deal with Hades (another one of the “deals she had to make,” plural, to get to where she was in 1×18) to get her back – though, of course, a wrench gets jammed in that when you’re forced to ask when in Regina’s life Rose McGowan evolved into Barbara Hershey, but…
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Bex is all witched out and presumably filming with Liam.
Call me crazy, but I feel more than ever that the theory I posted here is right and Zelena’s going to have filled the Morgana role in the past (remember, she had the silver slippers at least until Dorothy, could have easily realm-hopped all she wished). For whatever reason they’re filming 5.08 and 5.09 together, right? “Birth” may or may not refer to Zelena’s baby (*coughMordredcough*), sure, though I’m not sure how that works timeline-wise. HOWEVER – I know some people are thinking “The Bear King” is a Merida episode, but for what it’s worth, Arthur is sometimes said to mean Bear King and 5.09 is a Chambliss solo episode; he wrote both Zelena-centrics in 3B, with “It’s Not Easy Being Green” being one of only two episodes he’s gotten a solo writer’s credit for.
#ZelenaleFay
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Honestly? I know I don’t post on here very often and I’m sure anyone who’s seen any of my theories in the past is probably just going to roll their eyes at me because I know I’ve thrown “X IS MORGANA/MORDRED” into the ring so many times, but hear me out for a second:
I think Zelena’s going to name her baby Mordred.
Let’s just look at some facts here: Morgana le Fay, most frequently interpreted as: evil witch, half-sister of a Great Hero whom she wants to take everything away from. Mother of said half-sibling’s child, sometimes, and when it’s Morgana (Mists of Avalon being the one notable exception that comes to mind where this isn’t the case), she usually conceives Mordred through magical deception.
Morgana le Fay, a major element of Arthurian lore that this season appears to be lacking.
Then we have Zelena. Evil witch, half-sister of a Now-Great Hero whom she wants to take everything away of. Not the mother of Regina’s baby, but her True Love’s; said baby conceived while wearing Marian’s face.
Zelena’s bump to the main cast, of course, means two things: she’ll get more backstory (they like Bex too much, and honestly have already shown IMO, that they’ll be treating her better than they did Will), and, as a Main Cast Villain a la Rumple and Regina, she’s inevitably going to get an episode down the line where we meet/learn she has backstory with a new character, and she’ll absorb another fictional role besides the Wicked Witch.
I remember some people were theorizing that Zelena might have history with Guinevere and that’s why she’s been added to the cast/is coming to Camelot. I’d like to extend that to theorize it’s because we’re going to learn that, in the past, Zelena traveled to Camelot and fulfilled a Morgana le Fay/Morgause-esque role (exposed the Gwencelot affair? Cursed Guinevere with barrenness? No idea).
I might be wrong; I know some people wouldn’t care for the idea, but I for one, as the unabashed Zelena fanboy I am, would LOVE this twist, which could set up for an ongoing storyline with Zelena indoctrinating Mordred against Robin (or, more likely, a sloppily-written age-advancing spell to jump him up in age because of some prophecy about the son killing the father, etc.). I’d certainly prefer this over a complete lack of Morgana.
Not trying to hijack the thread, just been brewing over this thought since last night and came here to post it only to find that there was already a thread about the significance of Zelena’s baby up.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
The origin of the name Arthur is debated, but one of the common arguments is that it derives from the Celtic words for Bear and King. This’ll be Arthur back story or I’ll eat the sorcerers hat.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Red hair, and good with a bow? Repeating what I said in the Comic Con thread – Merida is the Wicked Hood baby from the future. Camelot exists out of time, and they mentioned the FUTURE for a reason, I think. Zelena gives birth in Camelot sometime near the end of 5A.
I’m not crazy, right, or is it just me that kind of thinks she looks like a mix of Bex and Sean (especially in that first picture)?
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Camelot exists in a parallel timeline?
What even do they mean by that? Parallel to SB? It can’t be parallel to the EF, because Lancelot’s been in both places. Right? Thanks for keeping up with all the tweets, RG.
Yeah I have no idea what that means…. *collapses into a heap*
What I’m thinking is that the Camelot story is kind of always happening, if that makes sense? It exists in it’s own timeline, out-of-time with the rest of the realms, which is how a story that’s been told and recorded in so many different forms reaching further back than a vast majority of the Enchanted Forest population can have a definitive known “ending” (wherein most major players have suffered a rather final fate) yet still be living in the present day. It’s how Morgana can be Rumple’s mother and still Arthur’s sister, even though she’d have to have been around a couple centuries prior to current events. It’s how Lancelot can figure in to the present day story if he’s not just in flashbacks, seeing as how Cora’s (presumably) killed him – we met Lancelot at the end of the cycle, after being disgraced and forced to leave, but he still exists eternally in Camelot up until the point where he doesn’t?
(Also they’ll meet Merida in Camelot and she’ll be the Wicked Hood baby all grown up,)
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Any chance of incorporating the evil witch Morgana Le Fay?
Horowitz: Can’t say.Good enough for me. Rather expecting her to be the additional villain, to be honest, and have been the whole time. Never thought they’d just do Dark Swan. #BlackFairy.
Also, holy, I just had a thought…admittedly, it would have taken far more long-term thought on A&E’s part than I think anyone gives them credit for, so even if it turns out to be the case it’s probably just coincidental, but with folks thinking Morgana might be Rumple’s mother – they never explained why it was that Rumple believed the only way Malcolm/Pan could die was if they both died, right? I don’t believe that whole “undoing” prophecy really implied anything of the sort? Well, Morgana is sometimes the mother of a son who rather famously dies while mortally wounding his father. Just saying.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
I’ve honestly been thinking for awhile now that 504 would be The Sorcerer for a bit of symmetry with 404 The Apprentice, so I’m going to go for a little bit of a stretch. Seeing as how they seem to like the occasional song title, “Follow Me” is a song from the Lerner & Loewe Camelot musical and, well, the gang’s going to be following Emma to Camelot, yeah, yeah? Haha.
I do quite like A Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, though.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
I do hope Emma poofed to Camelot, because I think she needs to meet Morgana ASAP. Honestly, if this whole Dark Swan plot comes and goes without the presence of Morgana le Fay, I’m going to see it as a gigantic missed opportunity. And not just because it’d be nice to finally get the Black Fairy and if it’s not her I fear we’re running out of options.
Morgana’s traditional backstory (with obvious variations over time) is that she was only a child when Uther started to desire her mother & waged war on her father to get Igraine. Because of Uther and Merlin, Morgana’s father was killed, her mother raped, and her family torn apart (in Malory, at the least, Morgana is one of three, and when Uther marries Igraine he marries her elder sisters off to other kings for alliances and she’s sent to a nunnery). Fact of the matter is, if the legends were about Morgana and her enemy was Uther, not Arthur, she’d very much be the hero. It’s a classic hero narrative. But she goes after blameless (for his conception at the least) Arthur, instead, so she’s a villain.
If they were to give Morgana anything resembling her classic backstory, she’d be extremely sympathetic in a certain light, and especially if they include Mordred as well and make her a mother, I feel like there’d be a genuine kinship of sorts between Dark Emma and Morgana that would be wonderful.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
