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I have the rather unique position of having shipped Hookriel on the show for a year before Hook was even introduced (I joined a OUAT RP as Hook after “Snow Falls” aired and he eventually married and had a child with Ariel), so suffice to say last night’s episode is one I’ve waited for almost as long as the show’s been on the air and it ABSOLUTELY DELIVERED. Even if it was all just a big tease, it was a glorious forty minutes that made up for the first Hook episode of season three being a big let down. One of my favorite episodes so far.
So, naturally, I loved all the Hookriel. I loved the twist and I never thought I’d be rooting for a CS kiss but, what can I say, I’d like to see Zelena succeed as much as possible before they knock her down.
Also, a minor thing, but I loved seeing what I assumed to be a Hand of Glory in Regina’s vault. Little details like that please me.
The only thing I really didn’t like was their effectively writing out Ariel with her happy ending. I’m going to miss my favorite fish. Also something about Regina in this half season is really grating on me, maybe it’s just because I’m so firmly on Team Wicked.
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I absolutely loved Jafar and was hoping he’d end up as a genie so this could be a possibility. Definitely predicting him for being involved with our next Big Bad, but I’m thinking his bottle’s found by another, new baddie – having a genie in her possession is really, in my opinion, the only way Cruella de Vil could be a genuine threat to anyone but Pongo on OUAT. The idea of Henry finding it intrigues me, though.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Actually Will Scarlett and Robin Hood are half brothers on their father side…so this May happen on Once!
Well, that relation is kind of specific to Prince of Thieves, but they are frequently related in the classic ballads, just not as brothers – Will’s often his cousin or nephew. I’d be very interested to see how he’s related to Mr. Hood, because I guess with this show we can probably safely say he will be.
My dream villain for 4A is Cruella finding genie!Jafar (assuming he isn’t killed in the OUATIW finale and ends up a genie instead. Just stop and imagine the banter and conflict for a minute), so I’d really rather it be Naveen Andrews that switches over to the mothership, but I love the Knave second best of all the Wonderland characters so I’ll take him, too. Would have expected Sean to be bumped to regular over him, though.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
So I don’t see this one anywhere else in the thread and I just found it and um…
I don’t always check out the promo stills, but have they ever released something like that that so clearly centered on extras? Seems kind of odd to me that the only character in the shot is Blue and she’s off to the side.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
Can I claim Zelena’s witch hat and the Black Fairy’s wand?
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
I kind of assumed the Jabberwocky did it somehow, considering as Alice was saying that she needed something to offer the gang for them all to work together. Then she mentions Amara, the eyes go all bright and glowy, we cut to commercial, and the next time we see the group they’re working with the Jabberwocky and Amara’s free. I don’t buy that she had the power to let herself out all along, hopefully they address this next week.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
I’d love to see the Snow Queen as well, but I’d rather it be more in line with the Hans Christian Andersen story than Frozen, to be honest – we haven’t had any characters on OUAT yet whose stories were changed as much from tradition to the Disney counterparts as the Snow Queen was. I don’t know, it just wouldn’t sit right with me.
As a HUGE fan of Kipling, I’d love for them to incorporate the Jungle Book, but what I’m really waiting for is for them to stop just side-eyeing Arthurian legend and dive right in. Particularly, I want Morgan le Fay to be the Black Fairy. Final season Big Bad material right there, if you ask me.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
@Josephine wrote:
Who would be Mad Madam Mim?
No one, I’d hope. Mim isn’t a character from legend or folklore, she was an invention of T.H. White’s (the author of The Sword in the Stone) who isn’t even in many editions of the novel, as the wizard’s duel segment was cut in various revisions of the book. Sure, she’s in the Disney film, but I for one feel that if any Arthurian figure is to be Merlin’s nemesis, it ought to be a traditional one like Morgan le Fay, not a character who has barely been around for a century.
Morgan (ideally played by Natalie Dormer or Lara Pulver, but I’ll take whatever I can get) is the single character I’d most like to see on the show with potential to be the most complex villain the show has yet portrayed, given that after everything she does against her brother in various versions of the legend she still typically saves Arthur’s life after the Battle of Camlann and carries him away to Avalon to heal. Here’s hoping they delve further into Arthuriana at some point! Wasn’t there one of those quick Q&A things once during the early part of S2 where they said if they didn’t get to do Arthur & Guinevere that season, they definitely would like to at some point? Where Arthur and Guinevere come, a vengeful half-sister and a snarky sorcerer are sure to follow…
As an aside, though, if they follow the recent trend of making screen adaptations of Morgan related to Arthur through his father and not their mother just so she can have a claim to his throne, I might scream.
@Josephine wrote:
I have mixed feelings about visiting Arthurian legend. I think they could do great things with Merlin, but the romance of the legend isn’t the stuff of True Love. Guinevere’s and Lancelot’s affair and Lancelot’s subsequent banishment. It’s just a situation where nobody has a happy ending. Although, maybe they could switch it up and do a story about adultery and forgiveness, unlike the glossing over they did with Cursed Snow and David.
I think exploring the Arwencelot triangle might be a brilliant idea – true, it doesn’t have a happy ending, but in some iterations of the legend (and you can probably be sure they’d go this route), it IS true love, on all sides. That’s part of the tragedy – that Arthur loves Guinevere, but also loves Lancelot as a brother, and Lancelot loves Guinevere, but loves Arthur as a brother, and Guinevere loves both of them. Sure, there are versions where she never loves Arthur and their marriage is a political one of convenience, but haven’t they mentioned wanting to explore the idea of someone being able to have more than one true love? Perfect way to do it, in my opinion.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
@astrawoid wrote:
I did know that Morgause was really the “bad” one, but I think more people are familiar with Morgan le Fay. But either way, I think it would be really interesting if they decided to go that route for Tamara’s FLT character (if she indeed has one).
Morgause is not “really the bad one” at all, though. In fact, Morgawse, who appears in the legend as far back as Geoffrey of Monmouth (named Anna there) was never the “Queen of Air and Darkness” (as T.H. White calls her) until mostly more modern renditions that shift the antagonistic role away from Morgan le Fay. In traditional texts, Morgawse’s role is mostly just as Lot’s Queen and mother of the Orkney clan (Gawaine, Agravaine, Gareth, Gaheris, Mordred) – yes, Mordred is Arthur’s ultimate downfall, but traditionally their incest was due to ignorance of their familial relation, no sinister planning of Morgause’s as I think occurs in White.
Though Morgan le Fay has appeared in many different forms, her most traditionally known identity is as an enemy of Guinevere, of Arthur, and of the Round Table, for varying reasons. It’s true that OUAT could go the Marion Zimmer-Bradley route with Morgan, but I sincerely hope they do not, as villainess Morgan le Fay is one of my favorite characters in all of folklore.
It’s worth noting (if it hasn’t been already), I think, that Morgan means “dwells by the sea” and Tamara was a water goddess in ancient Britain. I really hope Tamara ends up being Morgan, but there’s another Arthurian counterpart that I feel works almost as well, one we’ve already even had a OUAT episode named after: Nimue (or Viviane), the Lady of the Lake.
In said episode, Lancelot mentions in passing that his mother raised him by a lake. Traditionally, Lancelot is not even raised by his mother, but by the Lady of the Lake, who takes him as a toddler and raises as her own. Phee mentioned the possibility of having everyone from the traditionally British Arthurian realm be African American, but Lancelot is not traditionally from the same land as Arthur – he travels from his homeland of France to do great deeds at Arthur’s court. It could be that Lancelot’s kingdom (Benoic or Benwick) is African American, as exhibited by Lancelot and his adoptive mother, Tamara, the Lady of the Lake.
Though it’s sometimes done by Morgan, it is traditionally Nimue/Viviane who seduces Merlin into teaching her magic and then traps him in a cave or a tree, powerless to escape. The Curse of the Empty Hearted is exactly the type of thing someone might need to trick a powerful wizard like Merlin into teaching you all of his secrets just because you’ve got a pretty face, just saying.
It’s also worth noting that it has been speculated by scholars that the Lady of the Lake and Morgan le Fay, who are both said alternately to be the Lady of Avalon (depending on the text), may have originated from the same legendary source and thus were originally one character, so I don’t suppose it would be entirely out of the range of possibility for Tamara to be both Nimue and Morgan le Fay, either.
…That ended up being longer than intended. Oops.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
