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"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Morning! Poldark tonight at 9?
Yes!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Wait, you’re telling me that Timothy Omundson (aka King Richard from Galavant) is starring with MRJ in a movie?! YEEEEEEES! Someone got their casting right! What is this movie Carter and June about?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Baelfire grew distant from Rumple before the portal and then was separated from Rumple is what I meant by “Baelfire left him” however I realise it was listed amongst people who did abandon Rumple so I can see why there is confusion but Baelfire’s leaving is not the same as Malcolm’s, Milah’s, Cora’s leaving.
I’m a big fan of Rumple and Bae’s story of loss and eventual reconciliation, but I think you’re misrepresenting it. Bae didn’t leave Rumple; Rumple abandoned his son. Rumple was supposed to go with Bae but chickened out. Bae didn’t grow distant from his father so much as Rumple’s increasing darkness drove Bae to try and find a way to save his father. As Bae said, Rumple was growing worse every day and hurting people all of the time. Rumple was too overprotective of Bae and killed a man for accidentally hurting Bae. Bae longed for his father back, the one who’d been a good man. Bae hated to see what the darkness was doing to the poor yet good man his father had been before becoming the dark one. Bae did succeed in finding a way to save his father, but Rumple is the one who broke his deal with his son. Rumple’s crippling fear of being powerless, as well as his nasty habit of self-preservation, are what caused Rumple to abandon Bae. That was the tragic irony of the situation: Rumple vowed he’d never abaondon his son as Malcom had left little Rumple, but Rumple’s own actions of using dark magic ultimately led to Rumple abandoning his son over that pit, leaving his son fatherless. Rumple declared nothing hurt worse than the regret he had to live with, but Neal countered that abandonment hurt worse.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
On another note, I ‘m glad I listened to Slurpeez’s advice to watch Poldark, and suddenly I can totally get the fangirl hysteria mind in a way I never have before. Because, oh my. But its a miniseries, and I feel relaxed in knowing the story will have definite progression and an end to it.
I’m glad you’re enjoying it! S1 of Poldark is good, and I enjoyed watching it. However, it’s not all sunshine and roses, and the mini-series doesn’t conclude after S1. There is going to be a S2, which likely won’t come out until 2016.
Though had MRJ still been on the show, a great story to tell would have been had the darkness tried to attach itself to Emma, but Neal used the dagger to attach it to himself…thus Season 5 could have been a real season parallel with Rumple seeing through Bae, how being the Dark One changed him, and paralleling past Rumple and Bae with Neal and Henry. Though with this show, you can’t have nice things, mostly due to the fact you risk upsetting a fandom.
I’m happy MRJ is away from all the madness, but I agree that I would’ve liked to have seen this story play out for Emma and Neal.
What a shame all the ships, canon or not, just can’t co-exist within the Fandom without having to go to war with one another.
It does get really tiresome with all the drama, which is one reason I can’t even interact with the people in the fandom outside of this safe-haven.
Technically JMo just clarified that Emma’s sacrifice was for the entire town, not just Regina. Something SwanQueens weren’t exactly too thrilled about having their grand moment taken away.
It doesn’t really matter what JMo reportedly said about Emma’s sacrifice, because one must keep in mind that JMo is also trying to appease her ardent and vocal CS fan base, who’re upset because in the same sentence Emma said she loved the pirate, she sacrificed herself for Regina. Nothing JMo could say could take away from what was actually revealed in the script though. Like RG said, show, don’t tell. The finale showed Emma sacrificing herself to spare Regina. You know the whole thing of “actions speak louder than words.” No amount of interpretation can detract from what actually occurred on screen and what was revealed in the script itself.
Emma to Regina: “You worked too hard to have your happiness destroyed.”
Emma didn’t become the dark one to save the town, because the darkness was already being contained in Regina. The darkness wasn’t out to destroy Snow, Charming, Hook or Henry. The darkness was trying to snuff out Regina’s light, and Regina was on the verge of becoming the next dark one. Instead, Emma decided to became the dark one to spare Regina that fate, because Regina had come too far to go back, according to Emma.
Why would CS fans be upset over this? Because true love is about making sacrifices, and Emma just put her life and her very soul on the line, not to save their beloved pirate, but Regina. The SQers have a point. There is a lot of SQ subtext, and some not-so-subtle displays of love. How many times now have Emma and Regina saved each other and/or the world using their combined magic? Now, I’m not a SQ shipper, but I do understand where they’re coming from. I think Emma and Regina make a really good and powerful team. I think they really do see each other as family, as the co-mothers of Henry. I think Emma and Regina really love each other too, as friends, and they’re becoming increasingly close like sisters. At the very least, Regina and Emma are friends–close and loving friends who sacrifice for each other. In the ancient world, friendship (philios in Greek) was seen as a form of true love, which is where this idea of brotherly (or sisterly) love comes from. And brotherly love refers not only to biological siblings but extends to friendship.
Even though Regina and Emma say they love Robin and Hook romantically, those ladies’ actions of sacrifice show how much those two ladies really care about each other. I think the SQ fans are right in their assessment that Emma and Regina do really love each other, but where I think they might be have misinterpreted that bond is in declaring it to be romantic. After all, there are many different kinds of love, friendship being one of them. I think Emma and Regina share a kind of love that can be found between platonic best friends and family. Just because that love may not be romantic doesn’t make it any less real.
A lot to catch up on. I emphatically agree with RG about Yvette. These writers are attempting to write “complicated” feelings and situations where nothing is as easy and cut and dry as the standard fairy tale of “you only love once after you meet, sing a song, have a magical kiss and are married happily ever after”, and the writers also tend to suggest a lot of unspoken things offscreen, and introduce huge twists all the time…. It’s a fairy tale, and a subverted one, so there’s always going to be a sense of the possible being limited only by imagination (even if the more powerful limit is the behind the scenes factors of TV ratings in Hollywood).
Exactly. Emma and Regina have become best friends who happen to co-parent Henry together. That is an intriguing sort of modern “happy ending” that I think it’s an interesting “twist” on the hero-vs-villain story. It reminds me of Sex and the City when Mr. Big, the man in Carrie’s life, declares to her three best friends: “You’re the loves of her life, and a guy would be lucky to come in fourth.” The point was that those ladies all placed friendship even before romance with men. “Sisters before misters” goes the saying. While that concept certainly appeals to modern women, the idea of close friendship is itself timeless.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I’d count CS as not as semi-incestuous as SQ for the fact that Hook isn’t as familial linked to Emma as Regina is. If it were a Hook/Henry ship then that would be semi-incestuous in the same way as SQ is. CS is not ideal, the Bae connection is the big elephant in the room, and there is other issues there as well but CS doesn’t seem as family connected as SQ.
Well that is sort of splitting hairs to say “not as incestuous” because if we’re going to be technical, neither SQ nor CS is actually incestuous. Neither Regina nor Hook are Emma’s blood relatives after all, which is a necessary requirement for a romantic couple to be counted as incestuous. But both SQ and CS are indeed semi-incestuous, Regina and Hook being legally bound to Emma’s family by marriage (whether common-law or religious). I’m not pro SQ or CS so I don’t really have to try and split hairs too much. I just find it ironic when SQer and CSers argue about which relationship is more incestuous than the other, or more toxic than the other, because I think both pairings are full of flaws, whether or not Regina is directly connected to Emma by a closer degree of separation than is Hook. Both Regina and Hook are more or less bound to Emma and Henry through their relatives. Both Hook and Regina have directly put Emma’s life in jeopardy and terrorized Emma’s family. Neither one is “better” for Emma than the other, though Emma going dark may be a way to take away Emma’s moral high ground and put her on the same level as the other “recovering” villains (e.g. Hook/Regina).
And whether or not it’s canon doesn’t matter since its the story that is being played on screen. After an entire season in which they were baited to the hilt, I’d have questions too. I’d want to know some stuff. I’d want some answers as well. It will never be romantic on screen but that doesn’t mean that the SQ ship–friendship or otherwise–can be so blatantly ignored after it was played to so heavily for an entire year.
Yeah. SQ, platonic or otherwise, has been heavily promoted. After all, Emma did just sacrifice herself to save Regina from becoming the next dark one after Regina has worked hard to fight that darkness in herself.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
SQ isn’t going to happen in show, not because it’s LGBT, but because there is a semi-incestuous element there in terms of Regina is kind of Emma’s step-grandma through Snow and Snow still sees Regina as her step-mother. There is chemistry between JMo and Lana but Lana could have chemistry with a brick wall so it might not be intentional between the characters. Were the Snow connection not to exist then SQ would be a viable canon ship.
I’d agree….but then CS happened. It wasn’t canon for ages, but got promoted as such owing to “wish fulfillment” (Adam’s direct words about the S3 finale). Is CS not also a “semi-incestuous” ship? After all, Hook did have romantic relations with both Henry’s grandma now Henry’s mom. Hook being Bae’s step-dad (counting Milha and Hook’s 7-year relationship as a common-law marriage), sorta makes Hook Emma’s quasi father-in-law, as is Mr. Gold. CS makes as little sense to me as GoldenSwan does, which I never really liked even back S1 before we knew Gold was Henry’s biological grandpa.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
One more thing…I know this post does’t really fall under the purview of “SF” but I daren’t post it outside of this little safe-haven. I just happened to read an interview (on a pro-Hook blog no less) that was given by Colin O’Donoghue on June 24, 2015 in Ireland. The original audio interview can be heard here. He basically just confirmed he was originally intended to be a guest-star initially, but was then promoted to a series regular before his first episode aired.
Interviewer: “What about the fact that you – Hook – your character came on for really an incidental moment or two but they just liked you so much they said ‘no I gotta keep this going?’”
CO: “What happened was that I was supposed to be a guest star for a few episodes and then they, sort of, before my first episode aired, they took up the option to keep me on as a series regular. So. Which is great, I was delighted. The response to the character’s been, yeah, pretty good.”
There you go. It’s not like this truly matters, but sometimes I see a claim that “CS was planned from the beginning,” and I think Colin just set the record straight (again).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Carter and June pic ( MRJ is totally dressed like Neal was on NVL arc, shirt, the same color of pants and even shoes)
MRJ looks totally chill, happy and relaxed. In regards to his wardrobe looking like what Neal wore, it also doesn’t help that his co-star, Samaire Armstrong, is blonde and looks a bit like JMo playing Emma.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Colin: “I can, well, I don’t know if – it wasn’t a definite when I first started. I knew that they had planned for Capt Hook to be part of a sort of love triangle thing, which happened, and, er… that was as much as I knew at the time. But I kind of – it was pretty early on – you sort of figured out what they were doing. It was one of those things where we weren’t sure if it was going to happen or not, but uh… I guess it did.”
The only thing that Colin knew back in S2 when he took the role was that Hook would be one point of a love triangle, alongside Emma and Neal. Yet, Colin didn’t know which way it would go from the start or whether Hook would even still be around after S2. “It wasn’t definite” that Emma would end up with Hook, according to Colin himself. A&E’s claim that they always intended CS might just be that they always intended to have a love triangle which included Hook and Emma, but not necessarily that they always intended for Hook to be the last one standing. “It was one of those things where we weren’t sure if it was going to happen or not, but uh… I guess it did.” In other words, even Colin was himself surprised when Neal was killed off in favor of Hook’s character sticking around.
Jmo: “Uhm, I think… it was, it was interesting because obviously Neal was such a true love for Emma…And, um, her first love. There was so much to be resolved between them once he was back in her life, and once she realized he had made the decisions he had made for a reason.”
Her first words are her truest, sincerest thoughts. She begins by saying “obviously Neal was such a true love for Emma.” It was obvious to her, to the other actors, and to us the audience.
RumplesGirl wrote: Because it was real. Because we knew it. Because no matter what happens in the coming months, it was REAL and it was TRUE.
Yep. The swan necklace is testament to that. Everyone knew it. The actors, the writers, and most (if not all) of the general audience. Because on a show where true love is declared to be the greatest love of all, Emma’s and Neal’s love being “canonically” true is evidence of what the writers’ original intent was, as per Belle’s comment about the swan necklace being “born of true love.” It was obvious that the love Emma felt for Neal was real because, otherwise, it wouldn’t have hurt her so deeply when he left without knowing the real reason. The real reason she wore that necklace wasn’t what she told Neal (i.e. “never to trust anyone again”), but the reason she later tearfully revealed to her parents (i.e. “because I never stopped loving him“). JMo isn’t being a revisionist here. You can tell she’s trying to understand Emma’s choices in the script, but perhaps still is left grasping at straws.
DSB commentary: She had the mic when hte question was asked. Passed it to Colin. Had his whole answer to formulate a respose and THAT is how she starts? LOL
And yeah, exactly. In reply to the question of whether or not CS was always meant to be, JMo chooses to respond by saying “obviously Neal was a such a true love for Emma.” I’m forever ROTFL!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
