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Slurpeez
ParticipantWill TLK work on Emma though?
I was actually wondering if Emma could save herself, since she does embody true tove, the most powerful magic of all….Shouldn’t that count for something? I would’ve thought it meant she couldn’t even be cursed, because her own magic, which is the power of true love, could break any curse. But then, hey, the writers seem not to acknowledge that anymore, seeing how they didn’t even attempt to have Belle kiss Rumple as he lay dying on the floor. Instead, they introduced plot device #102.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantAnd there are no more enchanted trees in the EF according to the BF and there are none in SB.
Henry could always use the timber from the Jolly Roger, which Hook said was made from enchanted wood, to carve a new quill.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantFrom Tumblr:
Imagine the story potential if they didn’t kill Neal and then having Emma become the Dark One to protect him, just like his father did.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantBrigitte Hales doesn’t have a lot of experience on IMDb. She wrote a pilot for ABC last year, which I don’t think went anywhere. The pilot’s premise was supposed to be a “dark dystopia” that may have been a figment of the protagonist’s “twisted imagination.” From that article:
Series will follow 20-year-old protagonist Londen, who believes she is traveling between our world and a dark dystopia that may be a figment of her twisted imagination. She sets out to uncover the truth about which world is actually real as she helps to rescue others who seem to be trapped in the darkness with her.
On Twitter, she describes herself as a lover of dark-hearted TV. Yep, she sounds like the kind of writer who is in sync with the values and vision of OUAT and OUATiWL.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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Participant1) I don’t understand why the AU ”never happened” just because it was not in the book. The characters collectively remembered what happened, so therefore it all did happen but just wasn’t recorded…surely???
THIS!
The entire premise of the finale confused me and seemed to contradict the author’s powers previously established in 4b. How is it that Isaac had the power to write things that had “real” and lasting effects in fictional London, the EF and ALWM (e.g. rendering Cruella incapable of killing Henry), and yet the story which he wrote was a “fake” AU (i.e. Hook’s death did not count as “real” since it was reversible)? In other words, the author seemed to have the unlimited power to impact the characters of Henry’s storybook and even SB in ways which which had real consequences (e.g. sending Lily to ALWM), but Isaac didn’t seem to have the power to create a “real” AU (e.g. in which Rumple was a hero). So which is it? The show-runners seem to want to have their cake an eat it, too.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantI said disappeared for dramatic effect. Maybe she’ll instantly re-appear at the beginning of Season 5, or they’ll use the dagger to summon her. If she disappeared to a specific location, I have no clue.
I don’t think Emma’s disappearance was just for “dramatic effect” since it paralleled Rumple’s disappearance (minus the dagger) too much to be just a coincidence. And I doubt she just popped in around the corner at Granny’s diner. I think Emma will be somewhere other than Storybrooke, possibly in the EF or perhaps even in Camelot.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantThe idea of Merlin battling the darkness made me think of Gandalf battling the balrog in LOTR.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantRumple had all his darkness sucked out of him by the hat (yeah, that’s fun sentence). Does this make him human again?
Yes, I think Rumple is a magic-less mortal again.
Can he be revived?
Most likely, but maybe not for quite some time. Bobby Carlyle may have scaled back to part-time or simply a recurring guest star in S5.
Does this make him redeemed in your eyes?
Nope. Rumple just had Isaac write him an AU, at the cost of the heroes. That makes him still pretty much unredeemed in my eyes.
Does he still have to redeem himself?
Yes.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantDon’t think that’s what happened, because when Rumple went to the vault, the dagger went with him. I don’t think Emma died. She just became the new Dark One, and the disappearance was for dramatic effect.
But then where did Emma disappear to, according to your theory?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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ParticipantSpeculate: where did Emma go?
The Vault of the Dark One.
If Emma did disappear into the vault like Rumple did in S3, that would mean someone must travel to the Enchanted Forest and trade his or her own life to bring Emma back. That was how Neal brought back Rumple.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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