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  • May 5, 2015 at 3:18 pm in reply to: Love and Romance on OUAT: What's the Message? #303875
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    Now that we’ve had almost an entire full season since this discussion first began, maybe we can re-visit it. I would like to know what a happy ending is even supposed to look like on this show. Nearly every couple has had a rough go of it in S4. Namely, I wanted to add something here about how romance, and marriage in particular, is addressed on this show, and what it means for “happy endings” now that everything is being turned on its axis. This is a reply I wrote to something that @nevermore wrote in a different thread about the less-than-favorable portrayal of marriage on this show.

    And all the other married relationships are absolute disasters. Ok, maybe it makes for better drama. Or, maybe contemporary US culture is so pessimistic about marriage and commitment more generally that it gets reflected in shows like this. To me, personally, Rumbelle is deeply problematic, but it’s simply the extreme example along a spectrum of negativity, which is how relationships with any mileage under their belt are portrayed on this show — as potentially abusive, deceitful, non-committed (Robin and Marian before we knew Marian is Zelena), or seemingly solid but recently revealed as morally deluded (Snowing). In other words, if you were wondering what happens after the fairytale “happily ever after”, the answer is abuse, neglect, separation, divorce. Well, and death of course. Oh, and sometimes weird pregnancies with the wrong people.

    Almost everyone wants a fairytale happy ending, but so few people seem to know what that actually even looks like. This is a major problem, not only on this show, but in the wider culture. Disney fairytale movies and romantic comedies all end with a wedding (as if that were the end of a relationship, rather than the beginning of a lifelong partnership). Yet, few stories show what actually comes after the wedding, or if we do see what happens, the couples in question usually end up becoming less than interesting (e.g. Snowing), going through adultery (e.g. Rumple/Milha/Hook, “Marian”/Robin/Regina or Kathryn/David/Mary Margaret), hating each other to the point of killing the other (e.g. Rumple/ Milha or Regina/Leopold) or getting divorced (e.g. Rumple/Belle).

    Even Snow and Charming, who are meant to be a paragon of faithful married love on the show, used each other to cast the dark curse! Snow actually killed her husband, without knowing there’d be a way to save him via magical-plot-device heart transplant. They have been reduced from an amazing power couple to backseat, bumbling idiots who may or may not commit selfish acts of villainy from time to time (e.g. Lily). Even couples who supposedly had very good off-screen marriages (David’s parents, according to Ruth in S1), turn out to not have been as great as previously thought (according to David in S4). Leopold and Eva supposedly were deeply in love, but he wasn’t even present at her deathbed. There are literally no good examples of committed, faithful, long-term marriages for anyone to look to on the show. Oh, to be sure, there probably are good and happy  off-screen marriages on the show (e.g. Philip and Aurora or Cinderella and Thomas), but we never see those couples, so they might as well not even exist.

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    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 5, 2015 at 3:03 pm in reply to: E! Online 5/5 – Spoiler Chat #303874
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    Hmm. If Sir Rumple is now an ogre-slayer, I wonder if we’ll see Rumple save young Baelfire. After all, the list of guest stars is TBA. It’s possible Dylan Schmid could make a guest appearance. (And yes, I know RG has her doubts).

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 5, 2015 at 2:31 pm in reply to: Did Regina Have A Miscarriage? #303871
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    I finally rewatched the scene. We can totally rule out Regina was pregnant when she took the potion.

    Regina: [holds up chalice]
    Cora: What is that?
    Regina: A potion–to take away your future claim on the royal line.
    Cora: But you’re not pregnant.
    Regina: And I never will be!

    Cora says Regina isn’t pregnant, and Regina doesn’t contradict her. Regina seems to corroborate this fact by saying she’ll never be pregnant. So, the potion isn’t an aborticant; the potion is like a magical hysterectomy cocktail which prevents Regina from ever getting pregnant.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 5, 2015 at 2:08 pm in reply to: Will Henry become the Dark Swan? The Sorcerer? Will he take Emma's place? #303867
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    IN the most recent episode, Isaac told Regina, “looks like you have someone looking out for you,” referring to the alternate page 23. What if that someone is Henry? Either he becomes the author or the Sorcerer and aims to help his mother.

    Isaac said something, not someone, was looking out for Regina. I took that line to mean fate, rather than a person, was looking out for Regina.

    Isaac: Where did you get this? [points to page 23]
    Regina: It just turned up one day in Robin’s things.
    Isaac: I don’t know how that happened, but it suggests that something is looking out for you.
    Regina: Something? Could you be more vague?
    Isaac: You know as well as I, there are forces greater than all of us.

    “Forces greater than all of us” harkens back to something Neal said in Manhattan.

    Neal Cassidy: [to Emma] You know, there’s not a ton about my father that I remember that doesn’t suck. But he used to tell me that there are no coincidences. Everything that happens, happens by design, and there’s nothing we can do about it; forces greater than us conspire to make it happen. Fate, destiny, whatever you want to call it, the point is… maybe we met for a reason. Maybe something good came from us being together.

    So, “forces greater than us” is the same thing as “fate, destiny, whatever you want to call it.”

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 5, 2015 at 2:06 pm in reply to: 421/422 Script Teases #303866
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    Could be AU Hook is talking about Rumple.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 5, 2015 at 2:05 pm in reply to: Emma + Baelfire = Swanfire #303865
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    @RumplesGirl – could you please help me with formatting on the first post of this thread? Every time I try to make it look pretty, the forum spits out ugly coding and formatting.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 5, 2015 at 1:39 pm in reply to: Will Henry become the Dark Swan? The Sorcerer? Will he take Emma's place? #303861
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    Quite a long time ago I tweeted Jane and asked if Henry was the author. She indicated that he was not. Now, in light of the new information we have learned about the author that answer can be taken two ways. He is not the author at any time or he is not the current author.

    I think Jane only meant Henry was not the author, at that point in time, since Isaac was (and still is). But, Henry could still very well be an author in the future, especially if Isaac dies in the finale and Henry takes his place.

    As for who the sorcerer is, I think he could be either someone we haven’t met, like Merlin, or, the current sorcerer could very well be Jafar (who was called a sorcerer in Once Upon a Time in Wonderland). I would’ve said the sorcerer’s name is Yen Sid, but A&E have already ruled him out. Also, if the title of sorcerer can be passed on like the title of author can, then maybe Lily will become the next sorceress.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 5, 2015 at 1:25 pm in reply to: What's up with the yellow rose on Daniel's tombstone? #303859
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    A yellow rose means friendship. In other words, Cora is trying to signify to Regina that she wants to make amends.

    Different cultures have different interpretations of flower colors. For example, in Russia, it’s a cultural faux pas to give yellow flowers to friends. In Russia, yellow flowers don’t signify happy friendship; rather, yellow flowers are what Russians give to the bereaved when someone dies or place at a grave. So Cora placing a yellow flower on Daniel’s grave makes sense in the context of yellow flowers being the color of mourning or remembrance of the dead.

    So if we have some nods to the Dallas TV series…it means???

    As to whether Once Upon a Time could all be Henry’s or Emma’s dream, I’ve had similar thoughts.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 5, 2015 at 12:47 pm in reply to: 421/422 Finale: Promo #303852
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    That could be, but does Isaac know that? Honestly, though, I think Isaac’s in it for something else. He’s literally an author who gets to talk with his characters, and change their stories with their input. But I think what Isaac is interested in is external recognition, rather than being in the story he’s writing. Could be wrong of course, but those shots of “New York Ledger Best Seller” are suggestive of yet another layer to things.

    Yeah, I think Isaac just wants fame and recognition for writing such a “great” story. A couple of episodes back, he said he just wanted to tell a better story, (something which is totally in the eye of the beholder). He wants to be cast as a great author.

    In fact, I wonder if they’ll do it hyper-meta, and have the AU go sour as a result of external pressures on the writer. Or Isaac deciding that this AU also doesn’t make for a good story.

    Now that’d be interesting! Maybe the writers of the show feel their own story has gotten sour, or at least stale?

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    May 5, 2015 at 12:43 pm in reply to: 421/422 Promo and BTS Pics #303850
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    What if the characters real personalities are still there but lying dormant under their AU ones and shades of the real personalities start coming out?

    I think that’s right. The photos suggest that Emma is back to her normal self again (not evil looking). She’s confronting Rumple, who seems to be scared, then seems to resort to magic, and then he scowls like he’s turning evil again.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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