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What is in Rumple’s hand, a wand? Is it the same wand Robin later took to heal Marian in Lacey? I really want to know whose wand that was and why Marian was sick while pregnant with Roland. I don’t think we’ll ever find out though, not after RH’s centric failed to address those plot holes.[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
What’s funny is how much the writers either consciously or unconsciously recycled elements from Season 2, and Neal’s storyline.
Exactly. Lily is the new Neal. Except she’s not.
Goes without saying really that there are also huge differences, which is why I’m not saying “parallels” and implying some sort of intentional foreshadowing or anything like that but just calling it recycled plot points and mechanics.
The show has become practicably bad. There just is hardly any foreshadowing except for Lily’s star mark, but only because Lily is the new Neal. Sure, we may have some hints about what’s in store (e.g. Emma won a toy dalmatian just a few episodes before Cruella first appeared), but it’s pretty clear the writers are just making this stuff up as they go. All of the intricately pre-planned foreshadowing was done away with when the writers hit that blasted re-set button.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Even though I wasn’t fond of them, I don’t think S1 Snow and David would have sacrificed a child the way that they did. And we know for a fact that S1 Emma would be so against ever giving Killykins the time of day….I think one of the last episodes that I truly enjoyed Emma was Second Star To The Right/Straight On Till Morning!
Emma hasn’t really been Emma in a looooong time. I miss the real Emma! And yeah, I totally agree that Snow and Charming from S1 never would’ve done to Lily what was revealed in S4. The writers are committing character assassination of the Charmings and everything that makes them likeable: their goodness and family love! Good thing Neal died before they could totally ruin him. They tired (e.g. Hook called Neal a “villain” and then Neal died in a stupid ooc way), but at least Neal got a (somewhat) honorable barrial, so to speak, being called a hero by Emma and Henry. If Neal had lived, Baevil might’ve happened (which might’ve been entertaining in a car-wreck sorta way, but would’ve made me really sad on the inside). At least I can comfort myself knowing MRJ is away from all this crap.
And Adam and Eddy are trying to show us Emma becoming dark when everything she has done was completely human! Cruella threatened her son, the jack(beep) last episode insulted one of her only friends, and Lily all but threatened the Charmings to Emma’s face.
So true! So far, all Emma has done is protect her loved ones, but we’re supposed to believe it’s her “inner darkness”? Okay then.
It wasn’t turning dark, she was acting in defense. If they really want us to believe Emma was going dark, have her kill a total innocent in a fit of rage, show her snapping at people for no good reason, let her have a complete change in demeanor….darker clothes, wilder hair, turn Emma from Sandra Dee to “You’re The One That I Want” Sandy!
Yeah. So far, Emma just comes across as Sandra Dee on her date with Killy Willy Poo. But I’m guessing based on spoilers, we’re going to see a totally dark Emma in the finale.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Here I want to break down this thing with Hook really simply:Imagine a recovering drug addict is getting their life together, but tells their significant other that they only reason they got clean, and the only reason they have for staying clean, is them.
What Hook said to Emma is this, both metaphorically if you use being “dark” as a symbol for drugs, and literally in that he has outright stated he has no other reason to abstain from bad habits.
That is not romantic. That’s manipulative and dangerous. It’s guilt tripping co-dependance, it’s an ultimatum that you stay or you’re “responsible” for what happens. It’s not sweet, it’s emotional blackmail.
THIS!
Hook and Emma is actually structurally similar to Rumbelle. It’s about the love of a good woman redeeming (potentially) the bad guy. And it looks like now it’s going to be (even more problematically) Hook saving Emma the “lost woman” from her inner darkness. Except lets face it, Captain “Personality” makes for a better wish fulfillment character than Rumple. He’s older, he’s a coward, he doesn’t wear guyliner… But I think the bottom line is that what we’re seeing is the writers’ likes and dislikes — plot twists seem, to me, increasingly motivated by these personal tastes. So for example, I have the distinct feeling, with all that’s been happening, that they don’t actually like Robin, though I’m not sure why not.
That’s exactly right. CS and RB have a lot more in common, but with Hook choosing “good” and “light” because of Emma, thereby making the “right” choice, while Rumple is choosing “darkness” by not choosing Belle, thereby making all the “bad” choices. Got that? Hook’s choosing Emma = Right Choices while Rumple not choosing Belle = Wrong Choices. Yep. Rumple, who sacrificed himself to save Belle and Baelfire is the new boogeyman, while Hook (aka Killy Will Poo), is the patron saint of all that is holy. In fact, Hook (and Regina it seems) are now so in tune with their inner light that they’re teaching EMMA, TRUE LOVE INCARNATE, all about being good and doing the right thing.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
True, but then they needed someone who looked like they could be related to Maleficent and Agnes does look like she could be related. Perhaps it’s a kind of retroactive “problem”, for lack of a better word, when young Lily was cast the casting department weren’t told about the Mal connection so anybody could be young Lily. With adult Lily, they needed her to look related to Mal?
Maybe. But I’ll just point out that we don’t know who Lily’s dad is. If he were a Latino, then Young Lily being a Latina suddenly makes a lot of sense. Barbara Hershey and Lana Parrilla look nothing alike, but they played mother and daughter on the show. Regina’s dad, Prince Henry, being played by Latino actors (both young and old I might add) really helped to explain the ethnic heritage of Regina. So, I could’ve seen Adult Lily being played by a Latina, in keeping with her younger self, especially if Lily’s dad ended up being played by a Latio (which, he easily could’ve been cast as, seeing how we’ve yet to discover who Lily’s father is).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The problem with this poll feature is that it lets a person vote more than once (as I just confirmed by voting a second time), which means the results can be stacked. It’s about as statistically unreliable as those shipping polls, since people just vote over and over again until their fingers bleed to sway the results. A valid poll would only allow for one vote per user. I realize it’s only for fun, so it may not matter. Just thought I’d put that out there in case someone was thinking of using the results to try and prove a point.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Recasting Robin Hood was down to a scheduling conflict. Tom couldn’t commit for the time they needed him to commit so the part was recast. That’s a little different than saying to someone “You’ve got the job” then a few weeks later turning around and saying “Actually we’ve changed our minds because you’re not latina”. That’s discrimination so their hands were tied.
Hmm….So the argument is reverse discrimination of a non-Latina actress for a role originally prized by a Latina actress? I mean, maybe, but, the casting department could’ve just chalked it up to miscommunication between the casting department and writers’ room. For example, Baby Alex should’ve been a girl instead of a boy since the original story was about baby Alexandra, not Alexander. Would it have been “gender discrimination” if the casting department had called up the baby boy actor’s parents and said, “Actually we made a mistake. We need to go with a girl baby instead?” Granted, the infant who played baby Alex could’ve just been dressed as a girl instead of a boy, solving that issue, but if the actor had been older, changing the decision to go with a girl instead of a boy wouldn’t have been gender discrimination IMO. It would’ve been rectifying an error on the part of someone in the casting department.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Then when they realise it was supposed to be the same person, they did there best to make Agnes look like young Lily?
That doesn’t make sense to me. Casting decisions for guest-star roles can be changed before filming actually starts. It happens all the time (e.g. recasting of Robin Hood). It might’ve meant disappointing Agnes Bruckner after originally getting the role, but actors deal with rejection all the time. It wasn’t too late to cast someone else of Latina heritage before filming began, because the casting call went out before filming ever began.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I don’t think the show should box tick. I don’t think a whole or half arc should be based around “Hey audience, this character is gay/black/Asian/non-white/transgender!” It should be worked into a larger narrative. Mulan is bi/gay but that is not her main storyline.
That’s what I mean. But it also needs to make sense within the story as well.
Mulan’s ethnicity, gender and sexual identity are very important to her character and her story.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
But that’s what people are complaining about, that the ethnically and racially diverse (in other words: Non-white) actors are only in supporting roles then disappear off screen. Lana is Latina and is one of the main characters on the show but it would appear Lana is “too white” to count as a POC.
Lana Parrilla is only one actress out of a main cast of 8; that isn’t going to change unless some of the main cast leave and are replaced by more ethnically diverse actors. To my knowledge, no one claimed Lana is “too white” to count as Latina. She herself identifies as such (so it’s a non-issue).
I’m not saying anyone said it but the question remains: What makes someone a POC or not? How do you define a POC?
I actually really dislike this term. How is it any less offensive than another similar sounding outdated term? It seems better and more correct to say ethnically diverse. While the complaint that ethnically diverse actors only appear in supporting roles only to disappear again into the mist, their appearance at least goes a ways to help round out the diversity. If there were no people from diverse backgrounds in supporting roles, it’d make the show’s track-record even worse. But that is what I’m saying: the role of of Adult Lily going to Agnes Bruckner, instead of a Latina, means one less ethnically diverse actress appearing in the show. It means one more woman of Eastern and Western European heritage getting the slot instead of a talented actress of Hispanic descent, which makes no sense, because the original casting of Young Lily was played by the talented Nicole Muñoz. Whether intended or not, that decision just shows a lack of sensitivity or awareness of these culturally relevant issues.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
