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In support of the view that Emma is not yet able to settle down to have her happy ending is something she said in S3. As Emma herself said in The New Neverland,
“I’m the Savior. I don’t have the luxury of having moments. It’s just not my life. Every time I think I’m going to kick back and enjoy myself I can’t, because it’s never going to stop…It’s different. My magic has a price. The price of being the Savior is I don’t get a day off.”
And so far, Emma hasn’t defeated the dark one. She has relied heavily on others to save them from lesser evils as well. She relied on Rumple to save everyone from Peter Pan and again relied Regina to save everyone from Zelena. Emma didn’t really defeat Ingrid either, since Ingrid killed herself. If Emma truly is the Savior in the ultimate sense of giving everyone else a happy ending first, then she still has some saving left to do.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
It took her a long time to believe in happy endings, or that they were even possible for herself. But she’s finally gotten to the place in her personal life and as the Savior.
Yes, but if we’re going to take RG’s theory about Emma being like Christ to its full extent, then the natural conclusion is that Emma will die to give everyone else their happy endings. If Emma doesn’t die, then she potentially could be written out of the book (temporarily), until Henry course-corrects things by becoming the next Author to rewrite Emma back into the book. Then Emma takes everyone, including herself and Henry, home again.
It took her a long time to believe in happy endings, or that they were even possible for herself. But she’s finally gotten to the place in her personal life and as the Savior.
Yes, but the story isn’t finished just yet. Emma herself said that as soon as she sits back to enjoy herself something else bad happens. The price of being the savior might mean not getting her own happy ending until everyone else has their happy ending first.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@RG – Yes, I think Emma being called “the Savior” is a huge tip-off about her fate, which was actually foreshadowed in S1. Emma’s destiny is to “bring back the happy endings,” which in S1 seemed to happen but then didn’t really because everyone remained in SB rather than being transported home. Compare this role to Jesus, according to Christians, whose role was to provide salvation for those who believe. Jesus had to pay the price (i.e. through his death), which Emma has yet to pay. You don’t really get called a savior without the suffering part being added on.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez wrote: I don’t think Rumple is dying at present so much as losing his humanity.
Perhaps those aren’t mutually exclusive, though. Losing your humanity can equate to dying in a world where hearts can literally be affected by the choices we make. If his heart is getting progressively darker/smaller/more corrupt that would have physical consequences on the rest of the body, not just the “soul.”
Perhaps, since as Rumple said, magic works differently here. Rumple isn’t impish green in appearance in SB, so maybe he’s not immortal here either? It’s never been made clear exactly why but chalk it up to hand-wavy, rule-bendy obfuscation I suppose. Lack of transparency and lack of consistency about rules never seemed to bother the writers, so why let it begin now? Despite his curse, Rumple was mortal again in A Land Without Magic in S2 when he went to NYC, so perhaps his growing darkness again negatively impacted him on his most recent stay in NYC. Banishment from town was tantamount to a death sentence, because not even re-entry into SB was enough to stay the course once Rumple ventured outside of the town limit to where there was no magic to keep his darkening heart from killing him. I suppose this could be comparable to Rumple being poisoned by Hook, but not even re-entering SB was enough to stop the posion from nearly killing Rumple; only Snow trading Cora’s life for Rumple’s was enough to save him that time. Now the only way to save Rumple may be to find another candle or to drive the darkness which plagues him into an innocent host (i.e. Emma, or baby Snowflake, for that matter).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Just wondering if it’s “get” in the sense of “recognize and understand” rather than “receive”.
Probably the former rather than the latter since we know that they CAN “receive” happy endings. Ingrid got hers via sacrifice but had to realize that she had it all along with her sisters, Ursula got hers recently.
Also, Regina got what she thought was her happy ending (i.e. a cursed kingdom full of amnesiacs in which she ruled supreme while watching Snow White suffer). So, technically Regina as the Evil Queen, a full on villain, already received her happy ending, too. Of course, Regina the woman struggling for redemption, still thinks she’s yet to receive her happiness in full. However, what Regina may fail to realize is that her happiness has been right in front of her eyes the entire time in the form of Henry, if only she’d accept his love as being enough. The unconditional love of a child is the greatest gift Regina could ever hope to receive as a mother, arguably even greater than a romance.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Rumple is losing his humanity. He lost his son, who was the only thing keeping him human, according to the Blue Fairy. Rumple’s darkness is threatening to overwhelm him now. Rumple the man risks being lost forever as the dark one consumes him. In Rumple’s mind, his only hope seems to be transferring his darkness to another host, but he would have to die for that to happen. So, he’s trying to change the rules of magic so he can transfer his darkness to another pure host (i.e. Emma) yet still keep his magic. He wants all the magic but without the price. He still is unwilling of letting go of the power via TLK, so he keeps resorting to dark and dangerous tactics like the sorcerer’s hat. He still thinks he can have everything (i.e. power without limit or consequence). This is why Rumple’s effort is ultimately doomed to fail. I think Rumple will be undone by his grandson, who’ll correct whatever measure Rumple takes. Henry will be the next Author and ultimately fulfill the prophesy of being his grandfather’s ultimate undoing.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I also hope if they go this route, they tell us the author only did this a few times, otherwise we’ll wonder if the author made every character make everything big or little choice.
This is my biggest gripe with the all-powerful enchanted quill. It’s like the elder wand in Harry Potter–an unbeatable, unstoppable magical object–only this quill doesn’t just have the power to destroy but literally to rewrite history and control others. I don’t like the removal of freewill. I dislike the notion that someone forced Regina to be evil, because that would remove her responsibility for her own decisions. It just calls everything and every decision ever made into question. I further dislike the idea that there really was an alternate history in which Regina went into the bar but then this Author forced Regina to believe she’d done otherwise.
While I could envision an AU in which this comes to pass through Rumple forcing the Author to give the villains what they think is their happy ending, I think the quill may be a plot device which is meant to demonstrate the harm of doing so. The ultimate outcome will be bad for Regina, because the rewriting of history would mean her losing her son. So, the warning will be “be careful what you wish for” and then Henry will have to rewrite the story back to its original telling to undo the AU. Also, I think the other moral of the story will be what Glinda told Zelena in 3×20, which was that we all have the power to shape our destiny, to choose whether to be good or bad. Regina had to choose whether to pursue evil or good, she chose evil, but then freely chose to become good again. So her freewill needs to count for real redemption to be made. Take away Regina’s and everyone else’s freedom to choose and it just undermines all the character growth of the past few seasons.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
To further show how ludicrous the idea of marriage in the EF vs Storybrooke is, technically isn’t David Nolan still not married to Mary Margret? They are different people and according to US law they aren’t married. We know they are married, but what do the records say? Maybe they fixed all of that when Snow’s curse was cast.
I guess it all depends on one’s view of marriage. Is marriage simply a legal term or is it something higher like a vow made between two people? If it’s the first case, then I suppose David wasn’t technically married to Mary Margaret during the first curse. But if it’s the second case, then David and Mary Margaret were still married, despite being cursed, because they had made vows to forsake all others. David never made a vow to Kathryn, so he was never technically married to her, no matter what his cursed memories told him. Granted, this is fantasy, but the mere relocation to another land doesn’t suddenly make null and void the promise made between spouses. The marriage stands no matter where they take up residence, whether they remain in the town in which they were married or whether they move abroad. What matters most is the vow they made, not where they said their vows or where it was recorded. For the sake of the argument though, I suspect the records in SB now accurately reflect Snow and David’s marriage seeing how Snow was the mayor and in charge.
I’m just curios about their relationship IF things get turned upside down for the Heroes and Villains.
Interesting. I suspect Robin would be a reformed villain. He was always a thief, so I think he’s always straddled the line. In 4a, it was revealed that he was a selfish thief who only stole for himself up until he met Marian. It was she who set him on the path of stealing only to aid the poor. Perhaps in this AU, Robin will be a selfish outlaw, yet fall for the innocent and kindhearted Princess Regina. Perhaps he’ll change his ways for the better by way of fair Regina’s gentling influence, and she’ll become his wealthy benefactress.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
If Belle can have an affair with Will and still be a hero, then I think Robin Hood can sleep with Regina and maintain the coveted title of hero. In the case of Robin, it will turn out not really to be an affair, seeing how Zelena was pretending to be Marian, thereby letting Robin off of the hook. Robin is still free as a bird to date Regina without committing adultery. However, he thought he was married when he slept with Regina, so it’s not exactly honorable of him to go against his own code. I guess that puts Robin in the same camp as David Nolan, when he was cursed to believe he was cheating on his fake wife, Kathryn, with his actual wife, Mary Margaret. However, Robin Hood was not cursed when he thought he was cheating on “Marian” and so he comes off even worse than David Nolan did in S1.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Friendly reminder that Emma loved Neal, and probably always will.
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